Gettleman vs Hurney... who is the better GM

[Ricky Spanish]

7 minutes ago, pantherj said:

If faced with the choice of having Hurney or Gettleman then clearly I'd choose Hurney. I pretty much hated Gettleman's draft picks and FA signings, so there is no chance in hell I would have Gettleman back. I can tolerate Hunrey because I have liked some of his draft picks and FA signings. I was one of the very few Panthers fans who wanted to draft Cam Newton, and Hurney wisely pulled the trigger, and that decision is the main reason we were able to make it to the SB years later. The majority of Huddlers at the time thought Cam would be a massive bust and that he was similar to JaMarcus Russell, but as the draft day approached the negativity died down because most thought we'd draft him.

Let me be clear though, if I owned the Panthers I'd go find the GM and HC that best fit my vision for what I wanted the team to become. I'd fire Ron and Marty in a heartbeat. I don't like this current Panthers team, and I would start the rebuilding process with firings. I would NEVER hire Gettleman as a GM. His terrible drafting drove me crazy, and his horrendous FA signings almost got Ron fired at the time. I am not going to list the FA signings that led Ron to say "we should have been thrown out on our ears" during an interview. I HATED Gettleman's draft picks and his FA signings, and Gettleman's personality is unbearable. There is 0% chance of Gettleman being around if I owned the Panthers.

In defense of both Gettleman and Hurney, they have both been hamstrung by HCs who are married to a blueprint for building a team that is inferior and outdated. The old timely lunch pale Joe type team that tries to win with defense and accepts mediocre QB play is garbage. The Pittsburgh Steelers blue collar blueprint, spending more on defense than offense, accepting any moderately decent QB, I am truly sick of it. It hasn't produced a SB win for us, and I don't see anything in the next few seasons on the horizon for us. Hell some of our older Panthers fans will die without ever enjoying a SB win. Is that the blueprint you want to follow?   

 

So you would rather have a losing team than a winning team because Gettleman drafted and signed players you didn't like even though they won?

K.

[JARROD]

why does it matter?

Dave was fired.

Hurney is a Walker,..

 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

So you would rather have a losing team than a winning team because Gettleman drafted and signed players you didn't like even though they won?

K.

This is pretty normal with this fanbase.

Would rather have Pro Bowlers than winning seasons.  Makes no sense.

[pantherj]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

So you would rather have a losing team than a winning team because Gettleman drafted and signed players you didn't like even though they won?

K.

You know it's not that simple. You know Gettleman's wins came off Cam's back, and Cam was Hurney's pick. And there are many other factors, but you know that already.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, pantherj said:

You know it's not that simple. You know Gettleman's wins came off Cam's back, and Cam was Hurney's pick. And there are many other factors, but you know that already.

Who drafted the guy that's the current focal point of our offense again? 

[thefuzz]

Just now, pantherj said:

You know it's that simple. You know Gettleman's win came off Cam's back, and Cam was Hurney's pick. And there are many other factors, but you know that already.

Hurney put together a team that was so bad that we lucked into Cam Newton, then had absolutely no idea what to do with said generational talent.

Let that sink in for just a moment.  He had Cam Newton on a rookie deal, record breaking Cam Newton, and couldn't figure out how on Earth to win, or surround him with talent.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

This is pretty normal with this fanbase.

Would rather have Pro Bowlers than winning seasons.  Makes no sense.

Pretty much.

I think for half the guys who root for Hurney, their sole argument boils down to "he drafted Cam".

The fact that he also built terrible teams around Cam somehow seems to go over their heads.

[pantherj]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who drafted the guy that's the current focal point of our offense again? 

I suppose we can congratulate Gettleman for not blowing every single draft pick he ever made, if that's the standard we're setting. Good job Gettleman.

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Hurney put together a team that was so bad that we lucked into Cam Newton, then had absolutely no idea what to do with said generational talent.

Let that sink in for just a moment.  He had Cam Newton on a rookie deal, record breaking Cam Newton, and couldn't figure out how on Earth to win, or surround him with talent.

 

I am not saying I think Hurney is a great GM. I am saying I prefer Hurney over Gettlman. I would fire either one.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I suppose we can congratulate Gettleman for not blowing every single draft pick he ever made, if that's the standard we're setting. Good job Gettleman.

You're basing pretty much the majority of what you say about Hurney around his drafting of Newton, but you don't seem able to see the big picture that he surrounded Newton with inferior rosters.

It wasn't until Gettleman that we actually built rosters around Newton that could win football games, and in 2015 carry out the best season in team history.

Using your rationale, Phil Savage is a great GM because he drafted Joe Thomas. The fact that he built sh-t rosters around him is apparently irrelevant.

Maybe you're up for watching a few more years of Marty building sh-t rosters around McCaffrey too. Me, not so much.

[Krovvy]

If Hurney is fired (the rumors), can we please ban the words Hurney and Gettleman for at least a year?

[bobowilson]

Marty Hurney didn't just draft Cam, stop being dumb

He drafted a dozen Pro Bowlers around Cam

That 2015 was one of the most stacked teams at nearly every position, and all a result of Hurney picks and trades

 

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

I think for half the guys who root for Hurney, their sole argument boils down to "he drafted Cam".

The fact that he also built terrible teams around Cam somehow seems to go over their heads.

The building around Cam, or honestly the lack there of, is what's most frustrating.  There is a blueprint out there when you have a young, great QB.  Both the Panthers and the Colts couldn't figure out how to read the plans.

Hurney and Grigson.....yikes.

 

[pantherj]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You're basing pretty much the majority of what you say about Hurney around his drafting of Newton, but you don't seem able to see the big picture that he surrounded Newton with inferior rosters.

It wasn't until Gettleman that we actually built rosters around Newton that could win football games, and in 2015 carry out the best season in team history.

Using your rationale, Phil Savage is a great GM because he drafted Joe Thomas. The fact that he built sh-t rosters around him is apparently irrelevant.

No for brevity sake I am not listing every single draft pick and FA signing Hurney and Gettleman ever made. That doesn't mean I am only thinking of Cam Newton (good lord guys) of course it's not that simple.

Cam blew up and the league wasn't sure how to handle him, but the "talent" around him wasn't great, and what was came from Hurney.

The team is important of course, not just individuals. I am not arguing Hurney is a great GM, but rather I prefer him to Gettleman.