Gettleman vs Hurney... who is the better GM

[mc52beast]

Just wondering what people are thinking. We have Gettleman who got us out of cap hell but also let Norman go for nothing and kicked Smitty out. Then you have Hurney 1.0 who sent the Panthers into years of cap hell and Hurney 2.0 who has seemed to learn from his mistakes as far as contracts but is still making questionable personnel decisions.

I don’t care much for either one of them and am hoping Tepper finally fills this position with a much needed upgrade

[Mr. Scot]

As far as their results with the Panthers, Gettleman.

As far as right now, it doesn't matter. Only one of them still works here.

It may have been a stupid move to fire Gettleman, but it's done, he's gone and he's never coming back. The only debate that truly matters now is between Marty and his potential replacements.

And on that front, I'll go with one of his potential replacements.

[rayzor]

Both suck or at least could be improved upon.

Move forward.

[rayzor]

And gauging from the way the Giants look, gettleman getting fired wasn't a bad call. Guy has lost it.

[bobowilson]

Hurney took a small market team with a bad owner and orchestrated teams that went to the Super Bowl, TWICE.  He has drafted more Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers than nearly any general manager in league history.

Gettleman inherited a team with 9 Hurney Pro Bowlers, and made it much worse, and destroyed (possibly ended) Cam Newton's career by not protecting him.  Now as he's 2-10 in New York, a laughingstock of the entire league, loathed by all Giants fan, and routinely ranked as the worst general manager in football for all the insane decisions he's made the past 2 years. It's a regular meme on the main NFL subreddit that Gettleman is the worst manager in all of sports.  He's been an abject failure everywhere he's gone.

Gettleman has never signed a great player, never made a great trade like Greg Olsen for a third, never drafted Hall of Famers, never done anything.

But this forum bought into his scam and big talk so much they can't see the obvious truth.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

And gauging from the way the Giants look, gettleman getting fired wasn't a bad call. Guy has lost it.

I still think it was. He was better here.

Lot of people up north believe that Shurmur is going to get fired and replaced by Ron Rivera. I haven't followed the Giants that closely over the last two years, but I have to admit that idea intrigues me.

I'd pay attention to see what happens if they're together again.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Hurney took a small market team with a bad owner and orchestrated teams that went to the Super Bowl, TWICE.  He has drafted more Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers than nearly any general manager in league history.

Gettleman inherited a team with 9 Hurney Pro Bowlers, and made it much worse, and destroyed (possibly ended) Cam Newton's career by not protecting him.  Now as he's 2-10 in New York, a laughingstock of the entire league, loathed by all Giants fan, and routinely ranked as the worst general manager in football for all the insane decisions he's made the past 2 years. It's a regular meme on the main NFL subreddit that Gettleman is the worst manager in all of sports.  He's been an abject failure everywhere he's gone.

Gettleman has never signed a great player, never made a great trade like Greg Olsen for a third, never drafted Hall of Famers, never done anything.

But this forum bought into his scam and big talk so much they can't see the obvious truth.

 

Two Super Bowls, right 

Believe what you believe, kid. But just so you know, few things look dumber than "everything Hurney did was good, everything Gettleman did was bad, and anything Gettleman accomplished must be credited to Hurney".

That's not a credible argument. It's actually highly emotional and frankly, borderline delusional.

(and I'm being kind when I say "borderline")

[TNPanther]

Man, where have I seen this topic before? 

Both suck. We happened to catch lightening in a bottle during Gettleman's tenure.

[d-dave]

Gettleman came in, won Executive of the Year, then tried to strong arm the franchise.  That's what cost him.  Now he's dealing with the consequences of his rigid inflexibility.  Gettleman has "his way" which can work just as easily as it fails.  Having MVP Cam Newton helps immensely.

Team building:  I'd say it's even.  Neither has been particularly good in that regard.  Drafting?  I'd say Hurney tends to get better players who fit the team.  Gettleman did much better with FA bargain hunting.  I will say that if they could combine their powers, they'd be a pretty good GM.

[pantherclaw]

This is relevant?

[Waldo]

Doesnt really matter, we are better without both. Both had some good and lots of bad.

[thefuzz]

Doesn't matter.

The only thing that matters now is Hurney and if he is good enough at his job to warrant yet another season with the Panthers.

I prefer to go off of 1 thing over the course of how long Marty has been here, his record.

If you are discussing small sample sizes, you have to work in injuries, abrupt retirements, lockouts, etc....when you are looking at 10+ years, it's straight to the record under his leadership, and the winning seasons are sorely lacking.

I want a better GM than either.

[jfra78]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I still think it was. He was better here.

Lot of people up north believe that Shurmur is going to get fired and replaced by Ron Rivera. I haven't followed the Giants that closely over the last two years, but I have to admit that idea intrigues me.

I'd pay attention to see what happens if they're together again.

Lol of course you think he would be better here, even tho his record doesn't reflect that.  Makes no sense

[TheRumGone]

I think it’s unfair to even say at this point. What could DG have done with those top 10 draft picks when people say Marty got us cam luke peppers etc. while Dave got us cmc with a top ten pick.

Marty is generally terrible at putting teams together. On the flip side dg botched late first round picks, gave Kalil that contract and the Norman fiasco. I was pretty adamant that dg was doing a good job not only with some of the picks and signings to create some really good teams up until 2016/2017 but he also demanded results up until that point as opposed to Marty handing out ridiculous contracts to injured/average players and having that gee golly gosh were a family mantra.

The Norman fiasco and Kalil signing were awful. We have not had one GM that could sustain success. We need a complete overhaul in organizational identity from top to bottom.
 

Tepper has a short leash with me before I just completely not give a fug about this team.