We need to ditch drafting BPA and start drafting for need instead.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

You might wanna go back and do some research... Vern was definitely regarded as the best player on the board. Shaq as well.. but with shaq it could have been a bit of they were smitten with him in there as well. Both were at the top of their boards tho.

Pretty sure that Hunter Henry was higher, but how on Earth does anyone know that doesn't have access to the teams draft board?

I'm just saying that this team often drafts for need, not BPA.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, onmyown said:

I disagree.

There is one thing perineal contenders do well, or teams who make the postseason even just once do well.

Free agency. Filling the holes.

And I’m not referring to signing big names. The 2015 Panthers are a perfect example. But so are the Rams and the Eagles. He’ll even the Chiefs with Alex Smith did well doing this. 

You fill the holes with solid play and build/scheme the rest of the team around your superstars or BPA picks that work out.

Gettle was great at this. Hurney is great at finding our superstars. They really just need to have a baby together to great the ultimate GM.

Didn't we try to fill holes through free agency this year and ended up with Paradis.. Daryl Williams.. the list goes on. The draft is your foundation.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Pretty sure that Hunter Henry was higher, but how on Earth does anyone know that doesn't have access to the teams draft board?

I'm just saying that this team often drafts for need, not BPA.

How did we need a back up linebacker vs hunter Henry? The fact shaq sat as a first round pick the majority of his contract should tell you he wasn't a need. And drafting insurance policies in the first round is as bad idea as drafting them in the 3rd like we did with Grier. 

[thefuzz]

Just now, micnificent28 said:

How did we need a back up linebacker vs hunter Henry? The fact shaq sat as a first round pick the majority of his contract should tell you he wasn't a need. And drafting insurance policies in the first round is as bad idea as drafting them in the 3rd like we did with Grier. 

We took Vernon over Hunter Henry, who I think most considered the best player available at the time.

Shaq was an insurance policy in the case that TD went down, which was likely, and Ron didn't think that he could operate his defense without a couple of top tier athletic linebackers.

Same with Vernon and KK.  

Our latest 3 first round picks have all been "need" picking instead of BPA....with the CMC selection possibly being both.

[onmyown]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

Didn't we try to fill holes through free agency this year and ended up with Paradis.. Daryl Williams.. the list goes on. The draft is your foundation.

You misread my post. I agree the draft is your foundation, and mainly for superstars.

What I said is being able to fill the holes WELL is just as important. Look at all the recent teams making it to the big game. They have all done it.

Paradis was signed to do more than just fill a hole. That’s not what I meant. Filling the hole usually means a solid, hardy, proven, player offered a 1-2 year deal. This years example would be McCoy.

However, the fact is I said do it WELL. If you fail to fill the holes, the team is going to crumble. 

Of corse there’s the coaching and scheming around your superstars that matters as well. Luke is completely being wasted in this defense is a good example.

[micnificent28]

If we have been drafting for need then sign me up for more of that because DJ Moore looks good we needed a wr... I will also take jackson in the second as a need. The same with brian Burns in the first this year.

[onmyown]

11 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

If we have been drafting for need then sign me up for more of that because DJ Moore looks good we needed a wr... I will also take jackson in the second as a need. The same with brian Burns in the first this year.

All of those were arguably BPA.

Honestly BPA gets very muddy after the first round anyways. But an argument, without hindsight, can be made for all those being BPA. Hurney tends to follow the BPA much more than Gettle who followed more towards need (3 cbs, star and Kk double dip).

[micnificent28]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

We took Vernon over Hunter Henry, who I think most considered the best player available at the time.

Shaq was an insurance policy in the case that TD went down, which was likely, and Ron didn't think that he could operate his defense without a couple of top tier athletic linebackers.

Same with Vernon and KK.  

Our latest 3 first round picks have all been "need" picking instead of BPA....with the CMC selection possibly being both.

I don't think most had Hunter over Butler.. looks like it was neck and neck with Butler edging him out. At the time what was the bigger need a back up Defensive tackle or possible starter? They went bpa

[Mr. Scot]

You have to remember in all of these things that you need both the right approach and the right execution.

Get either of those things wrong and you've blown it.

[Tbe]

To pick BPA you first have to have the ability to truly determine who is the BPA.

[onmyown]

Other than rare circumstances where players fall below their value does BPA really even really exist after the first round?

I know the media wants you to believe it does as it adds to the hype but I think at that point there’s like 5 BPA instead of 1 or 2.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, PanthersNC1984 said:

Yes, I said it! All these years we hear over and over again about how drafting BPA is ALWAYS the way to go, I’m starting to disagree. Sure, don’t get me wrong, drafting BPA has landed us great players like Luke and CMC but guess what, we are still a bad football team. We HAVE to rebuild this O line, we HAVE to. In fact it’s so bad that if the choice comes down to a perennial pro bowl WR or a pretty good LT, take the LT all day long!

It seems that all you accomplish by drafting BPA is having pro bowl level players on a bad football team. I mean case in point CMC, CMC is a MVP level type of player on a 5-7 football team currently, he was also BPA. Luke Kuechly, a future HOFer on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in three years, see where I’m going?

The bottom line is, instead of trying to draft BPAs and land future HOFers at positions we don’t really need, let’s try instead to draft ok to pretty dang decent players at positions we are in desperate need of. Because BPA you just land great players yes that will put up godly stats but overall doesn’t translate to more wins or consistent success

Dave? Is that you?

[thefuzz]

28 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I don't think most had Hunter over Butler.. looks like it was neck and neck with Butler edging him out. At the time what was the bigger need a back up Defensive tackle or possible starter? They went bpa

I mean, possibly, we just don't know.

What I'm telling you is that this team has most often drafted for need vs. BPA, exactly what you were asking for earlier.

Need WR's?  KB and Funch back to back.

Need DT's?  Star and KK.

Need a RB?  CMC.

Need some speed on the field?  Samuel and Moore.

Need a QB?  Cam.

Need some pass rush?  Burns.

Sometimes the need and BPA cross over, but not always.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I mean, possibly, we just don't know.

What I'm telling you is that this team has most often drafted for need vs. BPA, exactly what you were asking for earlier.

Need WR's?  KB and Funch back to back.

Need DT's?  Star and KK.

Need a RB?  CMC.

Need some speed on the field?  Samuel and Moore.

Need a QB?  Cam.

Need some pass rush?  Burns.

Sometimes the need and BPA cross over, but not always.

Need CB's? Bradberry, Worley, Sanchez

Agreed. We draft for need primarily.