Hurney 2.0 - The Best and The Worst moves

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

One of the two is definitely far more likely to get you in trouble.

The people in the sleazy massage parlor have something to lose themselves. Not so easy for them to go to the police and say "I want to report that somebody is mistreating me down at the place where I give illegal handjobs".

The employees on your job, though? They might fear having their name dragged through the mud, but it's highly unlikely they have to worry about being arrested.

Totally agree, but when you are in power, it makes it worse, IMO.

 

[Happy Panther]

16 minutes ago, BigSyke said:

 

Dont matter. Wouldn't it be safer to act anyway you want in a place you "OWN" anyways where you can control the narrative?

Also Kraft is linked to Human Sex trafficking, that alone should be enough no matter what "era" we are in.

Kraft isn't linked to human sex trafficking in any meaningful way.

[Mr. Scot]

Defending Marty has pretty much always required a narrow focus.

You had to take a look at specific moves and say "well this is good", "that turned out nice", "this guy is okay", etc. It was when you got to the big picture that the results just weren't good enough.

Ultimately though, cheering the individual moves within a total team failure is like going through the rubble of a house that fell down and saying "You know, some of these bricks are actually pretty good. Maybe we should give the builder another chance."

[jfra78]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Defending Marty has pretty much always required a narrow focus.

You had to take a look at specific moves and say "well this is good", "that turned out nice", "this guy is okay", etc. It was when you got to the big picture that the results just weren't good enough.

Ultimately though, cheering the individual moves within a total team failure is like going through the rubble of a house that fell down and saying "you know, some of these bricks are actually pretty good. Maybe we should give the builder another chance."

So the record is the end all be all?  Gettleman, who you tout as being a great GM, has won 7 games while Hurney has won 12.  So Hurney is almost twice as good as Getleman.

[Icege]

Best Moves

• Trading WR Kelvin Benjamin to BUF (10/31/2017) - KB was a shell of his rookie year both physically, mentally, and emotionally. Hurney getting rid of him before he became a locker room cancer for Buffalo's 3rd & 7th round picks for the upcoming draft. Benjamin would then ever so slowly plummet out of the league over the course of the season.
• Trading CB Daryl Worley to PHI (3/14/2018) - Worley was a constant liability in the secondary, and swapping him for veteran Torrey Smith (who would then attest to the character of Eric Reid, leading to his eventual signing) was a lot better move than folks would like to admit. Worley would then be caught asleep in his car with a weapon after a night of drinking.
• 2018 Draft Class (4/28/2018) - All things considered, the 2017 & 2018 draft classes were two of the best that the franchise has seen. The fact that they were from two different, polarizing GMs makes it all the more interesting. DJ Moore is a stud, and Donte Jackson despite his growing pains has shown that he can play CB in this league. Ian Thomas looks like life without Greg Olsen won't be as terrible as originally thought, and Marquis Haynes has shown gradual development. Carter & Smith have also been great depth at LB while also contributing on special teams.
• Signing S Eric Reid (9/27/2018) - SO GOOD!
• Signing DL Gerald McCoy (2019) - I was surprised by the signing, as well as put off by the contract, but McCoy has been a great leader for this defense (despite its struggles).

 

Worst Moves

• Waiving K Harrison Butker (9/13/2017) - Instead of committing over $7.5M to our kickers for the last 2 seasons (with $4.5M due to Gano coming up next season), we could have literally committed less than $2.5M to have Harrison Butker from 2017 thru next season.
• Drafting DB Rashaan Gaulden (4/27/2018) - So... that 3rd rounder from Buffalo? Hurney threw that away on Rashaan Gaulden and instead of shoring up the DB group, waited for Gaulden to fail to take any opportunity given to him. Boston and Elliot weren't bad finds, but this guy's athletic score was  one of the worst in the draft and Ronnie Harrison was sitting there on the board still. Folks will kill Gettleman for drafting Daeshon Hall in 2017, but won't sweat Hurney for Gaulden in 2018 despite both being 3rd rounders (hit dogs gonna hollar "bUt wE trAdEd Up fOr hAll!!")
• Signing RB CJ Anderson (5/7/2018) - Why. What was even the purpose?
• Signing OL Matt Paradis (3/14/2019) - Has not panned out as hoped. Some folks try to raise the, "He's not so bad!" flag but that usually means he ain't good either. The contract is garbage too, but hey, at least we can get out this year or next so that's a step up from prior Hurney contracts.
• Re-signing OL Daryl Williams (3/14/2019) - $6M tied up in a swing OL with shot knees. I loved DWill when he anchored RT, but to sign the dude for that much and ask him to plug and play when that's not who he is makes the fact that he's pretty much done even worse.
• Trading up for OT Greg Little (4/26/2019) - "Hurney is money in the first!!" Yet, we never talk about his record in the second (or the rest of the draft for that matter)... 

 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So the record is the end all be all?  Gettleman, who you tout as being a great GM, has won 7 games while Hurney has won 12.  So Hurney is almost twice as good as Getleman.

Yes, the record is the ultimate standard. And that means Gettleman isn't doing a good job in New York, though it's also still true that he did a significantly better job than Hurney when he was here. As mentioned, Hurney and Rivera still haven't managed so much as a winning season together.

As far as Gettleman, I haven't followed the Giants all that closely over the last two seasons, but I confess that if the rumored possibility of Gettleman and Rivera reuniting in New York happens, I'd be kind of intrigued to see how that plays out.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Best Moves

• Trading CB Daryl Worley to PHI (3/14/2018) - Worley was a constant liability in the secondary, and swapping him for veteran Torrey Smith (who would then attest to the character of Eric Reid, leading to his eventual signing) was a lot better move than folks would like to admit. Worley would then be caught asleep in his car with a weapon after a night of drinking.

Calling the Smith trade a positive is kind of a stretch.

We paid decent money for him and got very little results. Then we wound up restructuring his contract to guarantee money that wasn't before (dodged a bullet by cutting him there).

And while I wouldn't want him back, word I that Worley actually looks half decent out in Oakland.

Should probably also be mentioned that Brandon Beane was the one who initiated the Benjamin trade, not Marty. It's probably more of a dumb move on his part than it is a smart one on ours.

[bobowilson]

9 minutes ago, Icege said:

Best Moves

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• 2018 Draft Class (4/28/2018) - All things considered, the 2017 & 2018 draft classes were two of the best that the franchise has seen. The fact that they were from two different, polarizing GMs makes it all the more interesting. DJ Moore is a stud, and Donte Jackson despite his growing pains has shown that he can play CB in this league. Ian Thomas looks like life without Greg Olsen won't be as terrible as originally thought, and Marquis Haynes has shown gradual development. Carter & Smith have also been great depth at LB while also contributing on special teams.
•  

The 2017 draft class is pretty mediocre with more time

Taylor Moton is an average right tackle, who can not play on the left side (as this year has shown).  He gives up a good deal of pressures, and while serviceable, he's just an average right tackle.

Curtis Samuel is looking like a bust, although it's possible he could do better with another QB.   

For as much heat as Hurney gets for drating Gaulden, Daeshon Hall is just as useless, yet no one ever mentions this, despite them both being drafted in the third round.

So basically, an average right tackle in the second, and a bust in the 2nd and 3rd.  Hurney would get crucified for this, yet it's still Gettleman's best draft.

Then we get to the issue of CMC.  There's no bigger CMC fan than myself, but at the end of the day, we chose a running back with the 7th pick in the draft.  It was a good pick, and I'd do it again, but it's not the grand slam people make it out to be due to the positonal value of RBs not being very high (and short longevity, high salary you have to commit to drafting a RB so high).

You'd be much better off taking Dalvin Cook in the 2nd and getting Lattimore.

2017 was meh

 

 

[The Natural]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Coaching staff decisions are made by Rivera, not Hurney.

Shula lasted a few extra seasons because of Gettleman. It's no coincidence that the first full offseason Hurney had after Gettleman quit.... errrr I mean was "fired" that Shula was relieved of his duties and in turn immediately went to reunite with his buddy up in NY. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, The Natural said:

Shula lasted a few extra seasons because of Gettleman. It's no coincidence that the first full offseason Hurney had after Gettleman quit.... errrr I mean was "fired" that Shula was relieved of his duties and in turn immediately went to reunite with his buddy up in NY. 

You realize everybody knows that's bulshit right? You've posted the same story probably about 20 times and nobody's biting on it.

And yes, we know you don't have any sources. Heck, most of the people here probably don't even have any idea who you are given that you only ever pop in occasionally, and only to talk about Gettleman then disappear again.

What will you have left to talk about if Hurney is gone?

[fjblair]

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

I still find it mind blowing that Richardson was shown the door and yet Kraft is still around. 

Seriously? Apples and oranges.

[bobowilson]

We lost a Superbowl we should have won with 9 Pro Bowlers Hurney drafted or traded for (Olsen), because Gettleman's loyalty to Shula, and refusal to get Cam Newton decent tackles (sorry, Mike Remmers and Oher are not a worthy investment when you have a generational talent like Cam in his prime).

Look at what the Ravens have surrounded Lamar Jackson with on the offensive line.

People will cry about the salary cap, but you can always restructure and work your way around it, and Gettleman should have realized Cam Newton would have a short window of time.  Instead he surrounded him with trash and took a decade off his career from so many hits.

 

[The Natural]

Hurney 2.0 hasn't been perfect by any stretch but he has been a significant upgrade over his predecessor and our new coach/gm combo will have more in the cupboard to work with. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, bobowilson said:

We lost a Superbowl we should have won with 9 Pro Bowlers Hurney drafted or traded for (Olsen), because Gettleman's loyalty to Shula, and refusal to get Cam Newton decent tackles (sorry, Mike Remmers and Oher are not a worthy investment when you have a generational talent like Cam in his prime).

Look at what the Ravens have surrounded Lamar Jackson with on the offensive line.

People will cry about the salary cap, but you can always restructure and work your way around it, and Gettleman should have realized Cam Newton would have a short window of time.  Instead he surrounded him with trash and took a decade off his career from so many hits.

I see you're not getting any smarter with your arguments.

You do realize that nothing you say on here actually affects whether Marty keeps his job or not, right?