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Hurney should stay on with the Panthers...

Doc Holiday

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1 hour ago, Doc Holiday said:

With the sole responsibility of making our First round draft pick! Nothing more or less!

if there is one thing I’m going to miss when good old Hurney is gone is the dude for better or worse has been amazing when drafting in the first round. I don’t think anyone here can argue otherwise especially when you stack him against the rest of the League. I mean he has drafted how many potential HOF caliber players? 

Burns.

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I want somebody who gets it right more frequently than they get it wrong.

That's not Marty Hurney.

Hurney made the right move in both situations mentioned, it hasn't worked out for reasons mostly pointing to coaching.  The GM can only find talent based on available information, he can't know what is going to happen in the future.

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Just now, rayzor said:

Make him a VP and Director of College Scouting or something like that. 

I don't care. just get him out of the day to day GMing stuff.

If you want to put him in PR or something I'm okay with that. Anything that involves player evaluation though? No way in hell.

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1 minute ago, rayzor said:

Make him a VP and Director of College Scouting or something like that. 

I don't care. just get him out of the day to day GMing stuff.

I'm at the point where I want the slate clean and there to be a new start.

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3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Hurney made the right move in both situations mentioned, it hasn't worked out for reasons mostly pointing to coaching.  The GM can only find talent based on available information, he can't know what is going to happen in the future.

Offensive coordinators can't see the future when they make a playcall. Are you going to keep one who consistently calls bad plays just because they really thought that play would work?

If it didn't work out, it wasn't the right move. Whether it looked like the right move at the time doesn't mean jack sh-t.

Every GM works under the same conditions. None of them can see the future but some of them are better at scouting than others.

Marty isn't.

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Yeah, ideally we'd just start over, but if we were going to keep him around it would only be in that capacity. I'm not crazy about the say he handled the scouting department so it would be nice to see him offer his .02 and have it rejected on a whim by the new GM like he did the last couple years.

best scenario is just him being gone, though. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Offensive coordinators can't see the future when they make a playcall. Are you going to keep one who consistently calls bad plays just because they really thought that play would work?

If it didn't work out, it wasn't the right move. Whether it looked like the right move at the time doesn't mean jack sh-t.

Every GM works under the same conditions. None of them can see the future but some of them are better at scouting than others.

Marty isn't.

Personally I think Hurney’s track record suggests he tends to over invest his one finite resource with regards to scouting (time) into evaluation of first round prospects, leaving insufficient time devoted to evaluating the much larger pool of prospects for later rounds. I think this best explains his record of solid first rounders with consistently subpar results in drafting later rounds.

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15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No. You've just remembered something that didn't happen.

I never suggested Richardson forced Gettleman to make those picks or that it was out of character in any way. Heck, I loved both picks. And I thought McCaffrey did just fine his rookie year.

I did figure that Richardson probably loved the idea of picking McCaffrey but so did Gettleman. He certainly didn't have to be forced into it.

And Jerry Richardson forcing the pick of Curtis Samuel? You might want to unwind your tinfoil hat a little. I think it's pressing on your brain.

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45 minutes ago, Car123 said:

KB is a bust. A big chunk of his yardage came in garbage time. He was force fed the ball in 2014 and he had no YAC ability. Worst route runner I have seen by a Panthers starting WR.

Shaq is just a little above average. He's no Thomas Davis.

Shaq was Thomas Davis early on this season until our dline collapsed

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41 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Which of Hurney’s first rounders besides Otah do you think sucked? Any excuse you wanted to apply to KB would apply to Otah, but aside from that I’m genuinely curious why you think his first round record is awful?

I never said Hurney suck in the 1st round. You guys are really wanting to keep the man just bc of him hitting guys in the 1st round. Tell me how many teams/GMs don’t hit gold in the 1st round? Bc you guys are acting like Hurney is the only one who does. SB teams are build around the entire draft not just the 1st round. That’s why NE is so good and how Seattle was so great a few years back bc they hit on low rounders. 

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Otah was one of the best RTs I've ever seen. The way he would run block made me think we had a shot at winning any game we played. That's how good his run blocking was. He just destroyed people. I was beyond thrilled with Otah, and then his body fell apart.

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