Hurney should stay on with the Panthers...

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

The buy out wasn’t guaranteed, he got nothing, it’s says so itself it’s converted for salary for the year. Salary isn’t guaranteed only signing bonuses so we don’t have to pay him the buy out.

if we don’t exercise it, we would have only owed him the remaining $11m in signing bonus that he was Still due. The other 17m on his contract would have been salary thus recoverable when cut. Getting out of a $55m contract for $11m instead of having to pay another $30m(just a guess I didn’t look up the numbers there) but we now have done just that. We still owe the bastard $9m next year.

i already told you to read you’re own post to get the numbers(something you’ve not done) Again a deflection, you’re telling me to grow up but you change the point of the conversation every time you get cornered lol

again the entire point of this argument was if there was a “kill clause” or not. And there clearly was because that’s what the fuging option bonus was.

riddle me this what was the Option bonus if not there to supply an out for the Panthers in Kalil’s contract? You cannot answer that truthfully because admitting what it is would be admitting you were wrong this entire damn time.

How is the buyout of an option NOT guaranteed? What are you paying him a buyout in? Monopoly Money. A 10M option OR a 10M buyout. The ONLY difference is being able to spread it out. It was never a 55M contract. It was the 2 year/ 25M guaranteed. From Day one. And it was done to keep his first year cap hit low, which I Already told you. 
 

    So your position is Hurney just handed Kalil an extra 10M for the hell of it. Even though he didn’t have to. Is this what you’re claiming? Because he would have been crucified(by me for sure) and fired. Take a contrActs class. Or something. This is 3rd grade math and very simple. Post anything that shows Hurney cost us a dime that day. Anything.
 

   Just explain how you get out of an option bonus with the exact same buyout. Do you understand what that means? Seems you don’t. 
Put your money where your mouth is. We will contact Jason Alexander at OTC. Ask him this very question.$1000 BET. You right...I pay. I’m right...you pay. Let’s see who’s sure about what they are posting. 

[mc52beast]

17 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

But Hurney is straight fire in the first round. Seriously may be the best GM in the league when it comes a first round draft picks

If the NFL draft consisted of just one round Hurney would be a HOFer... 

A GM’s job is to find multiple players who can produce at a high rate.

[Doc Holiday]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

How is the buyout of an option NOT guaranteed? What are you paying him a buyout in? Monopoly Money. A 10M option OR a 10M buyout. The ONLY difference is being able to spread it out. It was never a 55M contract. It was the 2 year/ 25M guaranteed. From Day one. And it was done to keep his first year cap hit low, which I Already told you. 
 

    So your position is Hurney just handed Kalil an extra 10M for the hell of it. Even though he didn’t have to. Is this what you’re claiming? Because he would have been crucified(by me for sure) and fired. Take a contrActs class. Or something. This is 3rd grade math and very simple. Post anything that shows Hurney cost us a dime that day. Anything.
 

   Just explain how you get out of an option bonus with the exact same buyout. Do you understand what that means? Seems you don’t. 
Put your money where your mouth is. We will contact Jason Alexander at OTC. Ask him this very question.$1000 BET. You right...I pay. I’m right...you pay. Let’s see who’s sure about what they are posting. 

Buyout may have been a bad term of words there, when I was writing that I totally forgot you love the twist fuging words. You know what I meant when I said that and are now trying to avoid it. 

Read what you posted earlier, you’re literally arguing against yourself now. You yourself posted that if the option wasn’t picked up it would become salary. You posted this not me. 

so are you saying that the option if not picked up would have remained guaranteed instead of becoming salary as you posted earlier? Remember you posted that not me. These are your sourced facts of the contract.

facts of this argument:

1. Panthers had an out in it(option bonus) if they decided to move on from Matt Kalil. 

2. it only became guaranteed if the Panthers picked up the option, if they didn’t it would’ve been converted to base salary for that season.

3. as everyone knows salary is not guaranteed only the signing bonus.

4. Panthers converted the option to a signing bonus, to what advantage is greatly argued. 

5. I have only argued that the option bonus was a kill clause in the contract and it existed. 
 

6. The only way you can win this argument is if the option bonus that you yourself stated existed didn’t exist. Which it does.

End of the fuging argument. I win. And I didn’t need to make a Internet tough guy bet to make it sound like I wasn’t losing.

 

[Doc Holiday]

30 minutes ago, Toomers said:

How is the buyout of an option NOT guaranteed? What are you paying him a buyout in? Monopoly Money. A 10M option OR a 10M buyout. The ONLY difference is being able to spread it out. It was never a 55M contract. It was the 2 year/ 25M guaranteed. From Day one. And it was done to keep his first year cap hit low, which I Already told you. 
 

    So your position is Hurney just handed Kalil an extra 10M for the hell of it. Even though he didn’t have to. Is this what you’re claiming? Because he would have been crucified(by me for sure) and fired. Take a contrActs class. Or something. This is 3rd grade math and very simple. Post anything that shows Hurney cost us a dime that day. Anything.
 

   Just explain how you get out of an option bonus with the exact same buyout. Do you understand what that means? Seems you don’t. 
Put your money where your mouth is. We will contact Jason Alexander at OTC. Ask him this very question.$1000 BET. You right...I pay. I’m right...you pay. Let’s see who’s sure about what they are posting. 

Let’s actually simplify this. To end this argument.

did the option bonus exist? Yes or no?

answer to that question is yes.

So now since we have established that, why did the option bonus exist? 

I will let you answer that however you like but it’s very clear it was there for the sole purpose as a contractual out for the Panthers with Matt Kalil.

[Toomers]

45 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Buyout may have been a bad term of words there, when I was writing that I totally forgot you love the twist fuging words. You know what I meant when I said that and are now trying to avoid it. 

Read what you posted earlier, you’re literally arguing against yourself now. You yourself posted that if the option wasn’t picked up it would become salary. You posted this not me. 

so are you saying that the option if not picked up would have remained guaranteed instead of becoming salary as you posted earlier? Remember you posted that not me. These are your sourced facts of the contract.

facts of this argument:

1. Panthers had an out in it(option bonus) if they decided to move on from Matt Kalil. 

2. it only became guaranteed if the Panthers picked up the option, if they didn’t it would’ve been converted to base salary for that season.

3. as everyone knows salary is not guaranteed only the signing bonus.

4. Panthers converted the option to a signing bonus, to what advantage is greatly argued. 

5. I have only argued that the option bonus was a kill clause in the contract and it existed. 
 

6. The only way you can win this argument is if the option bonus that you yourself stated existed didn’t exist. Which it does.

End of the fuging argument. I win. And I didn’t need to make a Internet tough guy bet to make it sound like I wasn’t losing.

 

• 2018 Option Bonus: $10M (must be exercised by 3/19/2018)
  If not exercised, the $10M converts to salary, and $11M 2018 salary fully guarantees

   This ONE clause is all that matters. As you can see, it guarantees if the contract specifically states it. That’s the whole debate in ONE FACTUAL CLAUSE. Not your imagination that you can’t show anything to back up. Make the bet little girl. Let’s find out. Why are you hiding from it if you’re so right easy money. 
 

So most of your facts went up in smoke? What now?  Just type another paragraph of lies. Take the bet. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

• 2018 Option Bonus: $10M (must be exercised by 3/19/2018)
  If not exercised, the $10M converts to salary, and $11M 2018 salary fully guarantees

   This ONE clause is all that matters. As you can see, it guarantees if the contract specifically states it. That’s the whole debate in ONE FACTUAL CLAUSE. Not your imagination that you can’t show anything to back up. Make the bet little girl. Let’s find out. Why are you hiding from it if you’re so right easy money. 
 

So most of your facts went up in smoke? What now?  Just type another paragraph of lies. Take the bet. 

Yeah because we know people that make thousand dollar bets on the Internet always pay up…

You’re looking for an out. You still didn’t answer my question.

Does the bonus exist? If so why does it exist?

So why does the bonus exist?
 

I’m not going over the numbers again because I’ve already done it like five fuging times in this thread already, And I believe you’re trying to avoid my question.

[Toomers]

21 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Yeah because we know people that make thousand dollar bets on the Internet always pay up…

You’re looking for an out. You still didn’t answer my question.

Does the bonus exist? If so why does it exist?

So why does the bonus exist?
 

I’m not going over the numbers again because I’ve already done it like five fuging times in this thread already, And I believe you’re trying to avoid my question.

 Ok. Usernames. Anything that will make you ask an actual knowledgeable person to explain this to you. Why would I want an out? I’m 100% right. I’ll take it to any legit person you want.  Name then.

  Of course it exists. I’ve posted it EXACTLY numerous times. Yet you choose to ignore that the buyout is the same as the bonus. Which is the whole debate. And as I said many times already, it was done that way to lower his 2017 cap hit. Where do you think that 25M guaranteed came from? 13M at signing. 1M in guaranteed base salary for 2017 and 2018. 10M option bonus with 10M buyout. 
 

Now. What about that isn’t FACT. And what should have been done? Easy questions you refuse or are incapable of answering. Sad part is everybody on here remembers these discussions. 
 

[Carl Spackler]

41 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Ok. Usernames. Anything that will make you ask an actual knowledgeable person to explain this to you. Why would I want an out? I’m 100% right. I’ll take it to any legit person you want.  Name then.

  Of course it exists. I’ve posted it EXACTLY numerous times. Yet you choose to ignore that the buyout is the same as the bonus. Which is the whole debate. And as I said many times already, it was done that way to lower his 2017 cap hit. Where do you think that 25M guaranteed came from? 13M at signing. 1M in guaranteed base salary for 2017 and 2018. 10M option bonus with 10M buyout. 
 

Now. What about that isn’t FACT. And what should have been done? Easy questions you refuse or are incapable of answering. Sad part is everybody on here remembers these discussions. 
 

whose alt is this

[Doc Holiday]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

 Ok. Usernames. Anything that will make you ask an actual knowledgeable person to explain this to you. Why would I want an out? I’m 100% right. I’ll take it to any legit person you want.  Name then.

  Of course it exists. I’ve posted it EXACTLY numerous times. Yet you choose to ignore that the buyout is the same as the bonus. Which is the whole debate. And as I said many times already, it was done that way to lower his 2017 cap hit. Where do you think that 25M guaranteed came from? 13M at signing. 1M in guaranteed base salary for 2017 and 2018. 10M option bonus with 10M buyout. 
 

Now. What about that isn’t FACT. And what should have been done? Easy questions you refuse or are incapable of answering. Sad part is everybody on here remembers these discussions. 
 

Thank’s for finally admitting I was right. 
 

only thing I disagree on is the buyout, the buyout as stated was the bonus converted to salary if not exercised. 
 

the way I read it, he gets $11m guaranteed and would lose his Bonus converted to salary of $10m when cut. Leaving just $11m in dead money. But I’m not replying further, Ron just got fired and that’s huge news. and I don’t care about anything else now! Lol

[Toomers]

26 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

whose alt is this

Sure. D1psh1t. I spent 4 years of mostly Hurney bashing then switched up for no reason. Do you ever think before you speak? 

[Carl Spackler]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Sure. D1psh1t. I spent 4 years of mostly Hurney bashing then switched up for no reason. Do you ever think before you speak? 

Should start asking yourself that question.

[Toomers]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

Thank’s for finally admitting I was right. 
 

only thing I disagree on is the buyout, the buyout as stated was the bonus converted to salary if not exercised. 
 

the way I read it, he gets $11m guaranteed and would lose his salary of $10m when cut. Leaving just $11m in dead money. But I’m not replying further, Ron just got fired and I don’t care about anything else lol

None of that agrees with anything you said. There was no clause. Hurney did absolutely nothing wrong, and didn’t cost us a thing. He just spread out a guarantee payout. Nothing more. 
 

   Proclaiming victory when you have shown absolutely nothing to back up your BS claims. If I were you, I would have stopped long ago when they were little lies. Run along then. Go act like your right about something you have no clue about. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

Should start asking yourself that question.

Typically useless and expected. 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Toomers said:

Typically useless and expected. 

You do say a lot of useless things, but I don't read enough of them to say whether they're expected.