Hurney should stay on with the Panthers...

[BurnHurnBurn]

8 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

................  You can count either 2008 or 2009, but not both. this is getting out of hand. It's simple Math, 1-1 does not = 2. 

This is fun.  I totally see what you're saying.  I want to make that clear.  I see the confusion.  

Did the Panthers spend a 2008 1st round draft pick on Jeff Otah?

Did the Panthers spend a 2009 1st round draft pick on Jeff Otah?

The answer to both of those questions is yes.

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

This is fun.  I totally see what you're saying.  I want to make that clear.  I see the confusion.  

Did the Panthers spend a 2008 1st round draft pick on Jeff Otah?

Did the Panthers spend a 2009 1st round draft pick on Jeff Otah?

The answer to both of those questions is yes.

they spent a 2009 first round pick in 2008. 1 pick.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

ROFL this guy. I fuging spelled it out for you and youre still like "WTF are you talking about"? go see a therapist man you need one.

No you rehashed excuses for why just you saying it is more important to the actual contract. All while not being able to tell me one detail of any of this supposed theory. Which is sad because you can’t answer one simple question about it. Yet I can recite every detail because I hated from day one. Its a simple question. How did he do this? Why? Anything? And please tell me where it states anywhere in your article that mentions a “kill clause” It mentions the option bonus I’ve been discussing. Where is the kill clause in your one shred of proof? 

Here a thread detailing it. I know you’re not big on facts, but you might learn something. 
 

     So what happened? 
 

[BurnHurnBurn]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

they spent a 2009 first round pick in 2008. 1 pick.

You will never...ever....ever...get me to agree that 2 separate picks from 2 separate drafts are the same pick.

A selection in the 2008 draft is in no way shape or form considered a pick of the 2009 draft or vice versa. 

[Doc Holiday]

24 minutes ago, Toomers said:

No you rehashed excuses for why just you saying it is more important to the actual contract. All while not being able to tell me one detail of any of this supposed theory. Which is sad because you can’t answer one simple question about it. Yet I can recite every detail because I hated from day one. Its a simple question. How did he do this? Why? Anything?

Here a thread detailing it. I know you’re not big on facts, but you might learn something. 
 

     So what happened? 
 

You're deflecting instead of answering what I've stated time and again, I give answer, you ask question to deflect or outright ignore my answer. as you did with my Post on the previous page of this thread, you changed what you were saying to fit your argument.  again, done with this man. 

The point of this entire argument, need I remind you again, was that Hurney hamstrung us with our cap when he removed the "Kill Clause" that I described in the previous post, by converting the option bonus to signing bonus. this hasnt changed at all, not in the slightest in the entire argument. you tripping man, see a therapist

[Doc Holiday]

25 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

You will never...ever....ever...get me to agree that 2 separate picks from 2 separate drafts are the same pick.

A selection in the 2008 draft is in no way shape or form considered a pick of the 2009 draft or vice versa. 

and you can never get me to agree that you understand math. so we good fam

@BurnHurnBurn In all seriousness, if you view it that way, thats fine, I just view it differently, arguing over whether 1 first round pick or two was used on Otah all these years later is kinda ridiculous either way. Have a good night man 

[BurnHurnBurn]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

and you can never get me to agree that you understand math. so we good fam

Now, why'd ya have to go and get personal?  Thats a real shame.  Oh well, may your herpes forever flare and your farts spray foam.    

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

You're deflecting instead of answering what I've stated time and again, I give answer, you ask question to deflect or outright ignore my answer. as you did with my Post on the previous page of this thread, you changed what you were saying to fit your argument.  again, done with this man. 

The point of this entire argument, need I remind you again, was that Hurney hamstrung us when he removed the "Kill Clause" that I described in the previous post, by converting the option bonus to signing bonus. this hasnt changed at all, not in the slightest in the entire argument. you tripping man, see a therapist

That’s because you made the poo up. Where is anything, anywhere that mentions a kill clause? No one.  It was a 10M guaranteed option because the buyout was 10M also. All Hurney did was spread it out over 4 years like any sensible GM would have. That’s it. Nothing more. Like your article said..... No savings, no gains. Because it was always there. Where are the 11M and 17M numbers you made up. 
 

     You haven’t answered a thing. You read the truth in the thread I posted which you just read. I don’t see any talk of a kill clause once people found out what actually happened. The only deflection is you trying to get away from a lie. And you called me out. Take a math class next semester. Football ain’t for you. 

[Doc Holiday]

Just now, BurnHurnBurn said:

Now, why'd ya have to go and get personal?  Thats a real shame.  Oh well, may your herpes forever flare and your farts spray foam.    

may not have seen my edit of previous post.  

but here:

In all seriousness, if you view it that way, thats fine, I just view it differently, arguing over whether 1 first round pick or two was used on Otah all these years later is kinda ridiculous either way. Have a good night man 

Apologies, meant no offense, simply being fiesty tonight I guess. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

That’s because you made the poo up. Where is anything, anywhere that mentions a kill clause? No one.  It was a 10M guaranteed option because the buyout was 10M also. All Hurney did was spread it out over 4 years like any sensible GM would have. That’s it. Nothing more. Like your article said..... No savings, no gains. Because it was always there. Where are the 11M and 17M numbers you made up. 
 

     You haven’t answered a thing. You read the truth in the thread I posted which you just read. I don’t see any talk of a kill clause once people found out what actually happened. The only deflection is you trying to get away from a lie. And you called me out. Take a math class next semester. Football ain’t for you. 

What was the $10m option bonus if not a kill clause? I mentioned in my original argument that it wasnt called a kill clause but for all intents and purposes it was. I stated it there black in white in the old thread. as far as where I'm getting my numbers from read your numbers you gave before my post and you will see where the cap savings was, just read your own post, thats all I'm asking you to do now. simple things.

Your argument now as I understand it, was that its not specifically called a kill clause in the contract. In my originally argument I never said it was, even stated that it wasnt called a kill clause. its just easier to say it that way than to explain the option bonus mechanic every time. 

and here we sit, yet another deflection from toomers.

[PleaseCutStewart]

6 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Otah

Still don't get the bad rap on Otah - the dude was probably one of, if not the, best run blocking tackles in the NFL (until his health went to poo), which was important with how run heavy our scheme was when he was with us. He was a pretty big reason as to why double trouble were as dominant as they were in 2008. The part that was bad about Otah was all that we traded to draft him (which was a recurring theme under Hurney 1.0)

Hurney really has done well with his 1st rounders and I honestly didn't mind either of his drafts the past 2 years outside of the poor 3rd round choices in Gaulden (a really, really bad pick) and Grier. Also didn't like Haynes (which was moreso due to scheme but has been more useful with the 3-4 switch).

Hurney's biggest problem before he came back was stupidly trading away first round picks to draft 2nd round busts that we pretty much knew well in advance would be busts with how no other team would touch them with a 10 foot pole.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've always thought Butler's problems were attitude based so that's possible.

Even if that were the case, it's not a positive.

[Khyber53]

I think a case can be made that he should stay for more than just the draft picks. He has made some incredible gets in the off season here. He got some great personnel but he isn't the guy who coaches them up and gets them into a cohesive unit. He also isn't the training table team.

Honestly, Marty 2.0  fixed a lot of the problems we saw with Marty 1.0 and fixed a lot of the bad feelings that had been left in the destructive wake of Gettleman 1.0.

Maybe we should keep him around.

[bandu]

its clear to see that are problem is still the loss of Sean McDermont not Hurney 2.0