If Ron is retained...

[Waldo]

11 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

The issue is... if both are fired in January, you reasonably have to have a new staff by February or March to be ready for the NFL draft... how is Tepper going to get a new GM and new coach in 2-3 months? One will be a task. I could see the coach being fired and. Hiring a new one and Marty being terminated in a similar fashion to Gettleman, after the draft. It is too late to go into the season with a new GM... firing Ron AND Hurney is a death sentence to the 2020 season... if you choose Cam as your future as well, youre asking him to come back from injury, learn a new system, and succeed on a one year deal. Hurney will be fired, Ron won’t. This same crap was coming out at the end of last season... the fact Ron is still here after that show says a lot... that is humiliation to this organization.

It certainly is a challenge but not unheard of. That fact is that anyone working in the NFL right now that we would be looking at would already be doing that. Look at Bean and McD. Weren't they both hired the same way? And that year we had similar boards but different values due to who was in charge. It would probably be a bigger issue with college hire, though at least the GM could cover for them. As I understand it, the play would be to get through the draft while leaning on the scouts and then address the scouting department post draft. Nothing changed last year because Tepper wasn't ready. I think by waiting it probably tied Hurney into the firing process, which makes this years awful humiliating disaster worth it if we can be rid of him once and for all. 

Cam has to want to come back and the new hire has to want him back. I would like him back but I'm not bringing Ron and Hemorrhoid back just to watch them miss manage Cam again. Chances of us finding a franchise QB this offseason is low. With a new coach, we can have a 3 to 4 year window to fix this mess and inject talent we are lacking. With Ron, we are in ass on fire mode yet again where we end up like this season and last season while burning through players to try and make up for lack of coaching talent and the talent that wasn't brought in because our GM is fugging up new contracts or even old ones that shouldn't have been touched. It just doesn't work and nothing you have said makes 2020 any better but the road I am cheering for makes 2021 a ray of hope. Rip the bandaid and move on. 

 

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Ron is retained...chaos.

Empty stadium is more accurate

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, ickmule said:

This fan base is pretty wimpy as a whole.  I grew up near DC and was a Redskins fan until 1995.  Shins fans were fanatic and the stadium was always full regardless of the teams record.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen BOA without 100’s of empty seats outside of a few playoff games.  

Apples and oranges.  First off, the Redskins were good before free agency and parity dominated the league.  You've seen what happened to the Skins once they actually had to compete on a level playing field (same with Dallas).

Redskins fans are about as apathetic as any fanbase out there at this point (and for valid reasons).  

Also, attendance at the stadium has been discussed elsewhere, but the comparison from 1995 to 2019 is not valid for a multitude of reasons (HDTV/viewing experience at home, multitude of entertainment options in 1995 vs. 2019, ability to watch the game anywhere inside the stadium w/o actually having to be in your seat, etc.)

Redskins fans may have been rabid in 1995 regardless of record.  That is certainly no longer the case.  I went to the game yesterday with my wife's cousin (who is from DC and is a Redskins fan), and he has not been to a game in over 10 years.  His kids want to become Ravens fans b/c the Skins have been bad so long.

Back to "official" attendance, the Panthers were 7th in the league in paid attendance last year, which obviously is a great number.  That being said, I go to most games, and I'm not blind to the fact that there are a lot of empty seats.  Having a multitude of empty seats while the NFL product overall continues to grow in viewership is a league-wide problem, not just the Panthers.

People just aren't as motivated to watch the game live from the stands the way they once were.  I've been a PSL holder for 15 years, and there were more Panthers fans in the stand 10+ years ago, even in down years.  It's depressing to me as a fan that is always in my seat when the game starts, and it has progressively gotten worse.

Actual butts-in-the-seats being down is a function of many things.  Certainly for the Panthers having 2 straight mediocre seasons and Cam being out has an affect.  But it's simplistic to say it's the only reason why.  People's expectation of entertainment is radically different than even 10 years ago.  Certainly I think it's related to smartphones and instant entertainment/gratification, but I don't know if that fully explains it.  Plenty of people seem content to cruise the concourse and socialize while constantly checking their smartphones for fantasy scores.

I'm sure behind-the-scenes the NFL (and the owners) are spending a lot of money to try to understand why.  TV money continues to rise, but that money is split among the 32 teams.  Ticket sales and stadium sales directly affect the team's bottom line, and every owner wants paying customers in the stadium (beyond a home-field advantage).

I do vehemently disagree about the Panthers fanbase being wimpy.  The Panthers fanbase is incredibly loyal for a 25 year old team that hasn't been able to sustain success.

Comparing your idea of Redskins fandom circa 1995 to the Panthers in 2019 is simply not valid in my opinion, and I mean that respectfully because of the reasons above.  I certainly would stack our fanbase to the current Redskins fanbase today.

 

[JARROD]

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Empty stadium is more accurate

Fair point.

[Sgt Schultz]

3 hours ago, ickmule said:

This fan base is pretty wimpy as a whole.  I grew up near DC and was a Redskins fan until 1995.  Shins fans were fanatic and the stadium was always full regardless of the teams record.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen BOA without 100’s of empty seats outside of a few playoff games.  

A couple of things happened to the Skins fan base.  First, FedEx Field has never generated the excitement that RFK did.  I think it is mostly a location issue.  I know they have talked about building a new stadium on the RFK site, but I have no idea where that is or went in the process.

The second things that really put the damper on things is a guy named Daniel Snyder.  I understand "Sell the Team" t-shirts are a hot item there.

I lived there from 97-06, so it was either those things or my presence that slowed things down.  Although I was never a Skins fan.

[1of10Charnatives]

29 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Apples and oranges.  First off, the Redskins were good before free agency and parity dominated the league.  You've seen what happened to the Skins once they actually had to compete on a level playing field (same with Dallas).

Redskins fans are about as apathetic as any fanbase out there at this point (and for valid reasons).  

Also, attendance at the stadium has been discussed elsewhere, but the comparison from 1995 to 2019 is not valid for a multitude of reasons (HDTV/viewing experience at home, multitude of entertainment options in 1995 vs. 2019, ability to watch the game anywhere inside the stadium w/o actually having to be in your seat, etc.)

Redskins fans may have been rabid in 1995 regardless of record.  That is certainly no longer the case.  I went to the game yesterday with my wife's cousin (who is from DC and is a Redskins fan), and he has not been to a game in over 10 years.  His kids want to become Ravens fans b/c the Skins have been bad so long.

Back to "official" attendance, the Panthers were 7th in the league in paid attendance last year, which obviously is a great number.  That being said, I go to most games, and I'm not blind to the fact that there are a lot of empty seats.  Having a multitude of empty seats while the NFL product overall continues to grow in viewership is a league-wide problem, not just the Panthers.

People just aren't as motivated to watch the game live from the stands the way they once were.  I've been a PSL holder for 15 years, and there were more Panthers fans in the stand 10+ years ago, even in down years.  It's depressing to me as a fan that is always in my seat when the game starts, and it has progressively gotten worse.

Actual butts-in-the-seats being down is a function of many things.  Certainly for the Panthers having 2 straight mediocre seasons and Cam being out has an affect.  But it's simplistic to say it's the only reason why.  People's expectation of entertainment is radically different than even 10 years ago.  Certainly I think it's related to smartphones and instant entertainment/gratification, but I don't know if that fully explains it.  Plenty of people seem content to cruise the concourse and socialize while constantly checking their smartphones for fantasy scores.

I'm sure behind-the-scenes the NFL (and the owners) are spending a lot of money to try to understand why.  TV money continues to rise, but that money is split among the 32 teams.  Ticket sales and stadium sales directly affect the team's bottom line, and every owner wants paying customers in the stadium (beyond a home-field advantage).

I do vehemently disagree about the Panthers fanbase being wimpy.  The Panthers fanbase is incredibly loyal for a 25 year old team that hasn't been able to sustain success.

Comparing your idea of Redskins fandom circa 1995 to the Panthers in 2019 is simply not valid in my opinion, and I mean that respectfully because of the reasons above.  I certainly would stack our fanbase to the current Redskins fanbase today.

 

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[Mr. Scot]

Reminds me that the original architect of our franchise was supposed to have been Joe Gibbs.

I'll always wonder how things would have been different.

[TheSpecialJuan]

[Nails]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Ron is retained...chaos.

Yet Ron wanted to keep our All Pro DE with immeasurable tangible and intangible production and those like yourself and others prefer the shitshow we’ve seen since.

[MHS831]

You can't really align the GM with the Coach--the coach is all about the now, while a good GM is all about the future. 

[pantherclaw]

6 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

As I said, I can deal with it if Hurney and the medical staff are canned and Ron gets 1 year with a top notch medical staff and a health team that doesn’t let players play with career threatening injuries. 
 

Their medical clearance very well might’ve ended Daryl Williams and Cam Newton’s career. 

I have a hard time with placing so much on the medical staff. 

This game that we love is a brutal sport. It's not for the faint of heart.  Injuries happen, and careers get shortened. No change in medical staff is going to change that, no matter how you feel about the current medical staff. 

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, Nails said:

Yet Ron wanted to keep our All Pro DE with immeasurable tangible and intangible production and those like yourself and others prefer the shitshow we’ve seen since.

Oh come on, man...

[Nails]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh come on, man...

Great response, man.

Convicted Felons Frank Clark and Tyreek Hill are still playing for the contender Chiefs, and our innocent, All-Pro DE was denied re-entry to the only team where he was truly a fit, despite Ron’s best efforts.  As a result, the Panthers D goes from feared to weak shitshow.  It’s that simple.