In Depth Analysis of the Panthers Roster

[Jus Rob]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

We definitely need to rebuild from the ground up if we wanted to be a better team.

But yeah, nobody should be under the illusion that that's going to happen overnight.

 

One can wish! It's tuff to rate our young guys on the oline because their either hurt or constantly moving then around but we definitely need to start there first 

[CRA]

DJ Moore soft?  

he is quiet, doesn’t talk poo and isn’t emotional .  That doesn’t equate to soft, In terms of being physical in play he is very physical.  I mean he is still growing in terms of route running but he isn’t an easy man to take down.  Which is why he lead all WRs as rookie in yards after contact.  

[mc52beast]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Reid has a place on a football team, of that there is no doubt.  However, he can't be asked to play all three downs, and all packages, and you just simply can't pay him like we did.

 

But hey, Tepper has those brass balls and doesn’t give an F about what people think.

[mc52beast]

I’m wondering if Tepper has asked someone to do an analysis of his team and if so has he been told that he should’ve waited and bought a real team.

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Are you really being realistic, or are you hoping?  There is a difference.  The hoping part comes in when people bring up Hurney 2.0, and the fact that he could have learned from his previous mistakes, that's hoping.  But most people know that humans don't really like to change, and don't automatically get better at their jobs after talking into microphones.  Or that Ron could all of a sudden be a quick thinker, would get better at game management, would all of a sudden change and start younger players over veterans, would suddenly understand offensive line play, etc....it was all hope. 

Now the actuality has happened.  We realized that we have an older roster, tons of guys unsigned long term, of the few that are signed long term, a couple of those can't or don't want to play football any longer, and we have nothing on the offensive or defensive lines to build around moving forward.  We F'd ourselves, but there was always hope....

That bolded sentence is SO very confusing to me.  So you were looking forward to this season?  There was a much better than not chance that this is exactly what would happen this season....I mean the writing was on the wall for goodness sake.

This offseason is the first that I'm looking forward to since 2010, at least hopefully the team will be trying to get better.

 

I am being realistic. As often happens with many professional or college teams, sometimes the coaches eventually lose the locker room, as well. There definitively appears to be signs of that happening. I think the hope largely rested on a revamped roster and, obviously, a healthy Cam Newton. Once Cam went down, my hope was pretty limited. 

I'm not looking forward to this offseason because not only does it have the prospect of our franchise QB being gone, but a completely revamped front office and coaching staff and the potential for complete roster overhaul. So, I am not looking forward to it because of the extreme level of uncertainty. If we just needed a new coordinator, that would be something different but we need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff and front office. That isn't hopeful, that's concerning. It's easy to say that "we have a new owner now and he's success driven" but we really don't know how he is going to be at hiring anyone. It's all an unknown. Facing so many unknowns is unlikely to lead to success, especially in the short term. 

But, I will HOPEFULLY feel better about it when the changes have been made and I can evaluate them. Until then it is nothing but overwhelming uncertainty, which is not a great feeling. 

[Car123]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I was counting guys on injured reserve, practice squad and such.

And I've said before I think it's all about the combo. For whatever reason, Gettleman and Rivera worked.

Hurney and Rivera? Yikes.

 

Put Allen on our 2015 team and we're not in the playoffs.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Hopefully the new GM will see that he can save $5.5M on the cap if he cuts Reid with a post-June 1 designation.

I think Reid probably doesn't make the top 10 of our biggest roster issues headed into the offseason, perhaps not the top 20.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Put Allen on our 2015 team and we're not in the playoffs.

Given that he was only about nineteen at the time, probably not 

Remind me though: Which GM brought Allen to the team?

 

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Given that he was only about nineteen at the time, probably not 

Remind me though: Which GM brought Allen to the team?

 

Allen is better and cheaper than any other FA QB that was available.

Anyway, you're deliberately ignoring the point. We weren't reaching the SB with a backup QB. DG was successful because our best players (which was brought in by the previous GM) hit their prime at the same time.

 

[kungfoodude]

Ah the old Hurney vs. Gettleman horse is back for a beating. It's funny that neither side realizes that they ranged from mediocre to terrible. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Allen is better and cheaper than any other FA QB that was available.

Anyway, you're deliberately ignoring the point. DG was successful because our best players (which was brought in by the previous GM) hit their prime at the same time.

 

Cheaper isn't something to tout when there was a better than not chance that Cam Newton wouldn't make it through this season.

We should have had a better backup last season, and this one, we didn't, and now we have this mess.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Allen is better and cheaper than any other FA QB that was available.

Anyway, you're deliberately ignoring the point. We weren't reaching the SB with a backup QB. DG was successful because our best players (which was brought in by the previous GM) hit their prime at the same time.

Cheaper perhaps. Better than a guy like Josh McCown? No.

And I've heard that tired excuse before.

I wonder, if the team let's go of Marty at the end of the season, what will you have left to talk about? 

[Bronn]

I outlined a path in another thread (I forget which one it was right now) to fix things.

To start with, you have to get rid of Ron, Washington, and Norv at the very least. Hurney is up in the air at the moment.

Then, you don't make a rushed decision on Cam Newton. There will be teams calling this offseason, trying to steal him away for next-to-nothing. We should laugh at anything that doesn't include at least one first round pick and another early/future pick or a player. We need to prepare ourselves as if Cam will be the QB next season.

I don't expect to see some people back next year, but here is what I think we'll be looking at.

QB - Cam, Kyle (ERFA deal really cheap,) Grier - There's potential to bring in someone else, but it'll be after we get into camp/preseason/season and we see what Cam's status will be.

RB - CMC, Scarlett, and one more guy. Hopefully the next coach/OC won't continue to limit our productivity to the success of RB1.

FB - Armah - No change here

WR - Moore, Samuel, FA, Rookie, FA - One of the FA spots might be taken up by Wright. He's not an FA, but he's due a bonus next season IIRC that could lead to his release. I'd prefer he stayed, but we'll see. Nobody else we currently have fits the bill, and I think we'll draft one somewhere in the draft.

TE - Thomas, FA, Rookie/FA/Irrelevant - I said last offseason that I thought Olsen was done. He's had some good plays this season and made me eat a little crow, but I think he's really done after this year. We might only carry 2 TEs next season.

OL - Moton, Daley, Turner, Paradis, Larsen, Little, FA, FA, Rookie, Rookie - Turner could also be gone post June 1st next year IIRC, but I think he and Paradis might do a little better with more consistent assignments all along the line. We should splash our FA money here, and sign a vet and a young guy, as well as draft a couple guys that can push to start.

DL - Short, Addison, McCoy, Love, Butler, Burns, Haynes, Miller, FA, Rookie - Addison doesn't have a deal for next year IIRC, and Poe has one that will get him cut to the savings of $10M. Addison should test the market like Charles Johnson did, and come back to a team friendly, read: cheap, deal. McCoy doesn't have a deal either, but I would hope he'd like to stay with us and in the division, also relatively cheap. Burns, Haynes, and Miller really aren't classic DEs, so depending on the scheme we'll need more FA or rookie attention here. We need to find a Hoss run stopper to replace Poe. I'm hoping we bring back both Love and Butler on relatively cheap deals as well for some sense of continuity. If not, we'll really have a hole here to fill.

LB - Luke, Shaq, Smith, Carter, Kunaszyk, FA, Rookie - We need to start looking at replacements for Luke in the draft. I said it last year too. I'm hoping we can bring Shaq back, but I don't know if he's worth what he'll get elsewhere. He could be one of those we lose who disappears on another team.

DB - Bradberry, Cockrell, Jackson, Reid, Boston, Rookie, FA, FA - Bradberry should be priority #1. He's our best FA, but I still wouldn't break the bank. If that is what he wants, he can talk to Josh Norman. I want Cockrell back too, but he'll need to be signed to a new deal as his is expiring. Same with Boston. But we need to get some new DBs to bring in and compete for Nickel and FS.

K - IDGAF. Someone better than Slye and Gano.

P - Palardy - we good

LS - Jansen - we good

We have a solid nucleus to build around. The above should leave us with around $30 M or so in cap space.  After a bit, if Cam is looking too good to let go, he gets a new deal or traded for more value. If he's looking bad, he plays out the final year of his deal and we say thank you for the years, or we take whatever we can get in a pre-deadline trade.

[thefuzz]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am being realistic. As often happens with many professional or college teams, sometimes the coaches eventually lose the locker room, as well. There definitively appears to be signs of that happening. I think the hope largely rested on a revamped roster and, obviously, a healthy Cam Newton. Once Cam went down, my hope was pretty limited. 

I'm not looking forward to this offseason because not only does it have the prospect of our franchise QB being gone, but a completely revamped front office and coaching staff and the potential for complete roster overhaul. So, I am not looking forward to it because of the extreme level of uncertainty. If we just needed a new coordinator, that would be something different but we need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff and front office. That isn't hopeful, that's concerning. It's easy to say that "we have a new owner now and he's success driven" but we really don't know how he is going to be at hiring anyone. It's all an unknown. Facing so many unknowns is unlikely to lead to success, especially in the short term. 

But, I will HOPEFULLY feel better about it when the changes have been made and I can evaluate them. Until then it is nothing but overwhelming uncertainty, which is not a great feeling. 

I guess me knowing that we would fail this season was enough for me not to look forward to last offseason.

Keeping the status quo, you know what to expect next season, just like many of us knew what to expect this season....another year of mediocre football.

Literally, the only thing to look forward to with this team is a completely new book.  And I, for one, and looking forward to it greatly.  Now, it may not work out, there are tons of potholes along the road, but we knew that Ron and Marty wouldn't work out either way....on to the next decade of Panthers football.