Fug it, I give up, fire them

[Khyber53]

18 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

The mediocrity and poor play we are seeing now have been frequent and normal features of Rivera’s tenure at Carolina.

So the only reason I can think of that it took you so long to come around is that you have a higher tolerance for ugly, mediocre football than many (most?) of the rest of us.

No, I just pride myself in holding on until all is lost. I always pull for the underdog, just a personality trait. That dog is done, though.

[grimesgoat]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

This game exposed how ravaged our O-line has become and how soft our defense is. 

Tre Boston was our most aggressive tackler on the day. Tre Frikkin Boston. Most aggressive TACKLER... really let that sink in. 

Our best freaking blocker for the O-line was the running back that we desperately needed to use as a freaking running back. CMC was used as the central point of our pass blocking. Our undersized, best scoring weapon. 

Little Kyle Allen was out there giving it his best, but sheesh he was basically just being overrun like the Belgians every time Germany gets pissed at France. His first two drives were magic. His last two drives almost won the game. Everything in between was just him getting plastered by a Redskins team that quit four weeks ago. A Redskins team that fielded 45 players, each of whom would gladly take a ticket to play for any OTHER team in the league next year.

 This team started getting soft a while back and being a player's coach, Ron allowed it. I'm going to take heat for this but once Cam, the undisputed leader of the team, started showing up in a silk head scarf like Katherine Hepburn at the beach, the group had jumped the shark on having any fight left. The group became drip obsessed and then played like that.. a bunch of drips. 

Football is a game of fast movement, sudden violence, strength and hard-fought battles in the trenches. It's not a place to worry about your manicure or if there's enough protein in your tofu and whey shakes.

Soft teams can't push the lines forward for one yard to make a touchdown, not once but four times... in three different games. Soft teams allow 82-yard rushing teams to bust out for over 200 yards on the ground in their own stadiums. 

There are a few guys giving it their all, but the operative word is few. One of them left the game after being knocked unconscious on the field. Soft teams get their guys hurt and our massive IR listing shows it. 

Rivera never lost the locker room, but I do believe he was lost to the locker room. It's not that he doesn't hold anyone accountable anymore, it's that he no longer can, he's just part of the club. 

So yeah, I give up and throw in the towel of defending this group. Fire the coach, fire the GM and have the next pair walk into OTAs this spring and tell the assembled 55 men that 20 of them will get spots on the new team and those spots will go to whoever is strong enough to take them.

Bunch of frikkin' pansies.

Right there with you.  Several excellent points. We are soft as hell and appear to have quit.

I'm an eternal optimist, but yesterday broke me.  We are done for a while.  Time to start over.

Get a new Head Coach and GM.  Trade Cam for a 2nd or 3rd.  Let Shaq walk.  No splash signings in FA.  Draft a QB in Round 1.  Draft 2 offensive linemen in Round 2.  Draft Defense the rest of the way.  

Prepare to suck for a year or two until our new QB is really ready (thinking what Buffalo has done).

[thefuzz]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

No, I just pride myself in holding on until all is lost. I always pull for the underdog, just a personality trait. That dog is done, though.

I was wondering when you were going to come around, seems like you have.

It's admirable (I think) that you held out hope this long, but damn man, you gotta look at the big picture here.

To your soft players stance, that isn't just Ron, it's Marty as well.  Most hated DG's management style for being "cold or dickish" or whatever, but at the very least the players KNEW that if they stepped out of line, it wasn't going to end well for them.

Ron is a "players coach", and Marty is a "family man".  Not a whole lot of "buck stops here" stuff between those two.