Fug it, I give up, fire them

[bigskypanthersguy]

I'll forever be bemused by the folks who want a early first round pick.

Talent in and of itself won't fix that team, as we got Cam, Luke, and CMC and still have no consecutive winning seasons to show for it.

You can put gold rims on a 1995 Pinto all you want...at the end of the day, you've still got a beater with a heater with amazing rims.

It's far past time to put a better car with the amazing rims we have to try to salvage what's left of the dude's careers we have.

I will fully confess, I'm not seeing a head coaching option out there that I'm absolutely in love with as Greg Roman I worry might end up being a Kitchens clone in that he'll be perfectly adequate as an OC but we have no earthly idea how he'll be as an HC, and the college HC everyone's in love with has never shown any interest in leaving for the NFL.  As to Harbaugh...nah.  If he's failing in Michigan, I have no reason to believe he'll be any better here.

Regardless, Roman may well be our best option and all I can hope is that we make a better GM hire this time.

I will never fully get over hiring Hurney back.  What an asinine decision.

[Khyber53]

9 hours ago, hepcat said:

There is no reason to fire Sir Purr, dude is money

Collateral damage happens.

[Moo Daeng]

Agreesome

[Hoenheim]

12 hours ago, Montsta said:

Also Ryan Vermillion too just because. Dudes been here forever and everyone is hurt so god damn always. 

That's a good ass point

[GoPanthers123]

I’m also sick of seeing them choke on 1st and goal in the last minute of the game this season. It feels like every game ends like this now.

[d-dave]

10 hours ago, bigskypanthersguy said:

I'll forever be bemused by the folks who want a early first round pick.

Talent in and of itself won't fix that team, as we got Cam, Luke, and CMC and still have no consecutive winning seasons to show for it.

You can put gold rims on a 1995 Pinto all you want...at the end of the day, you've still got a beater with a heater with amazing rims.

It's far past time to put a better car with the amazing rims we have to try to salvage what's left of the dude's careers we have.

I will fully confess, I'm not seeing a head coaching option out there that I'm absolutely in love with as Greg Roman I worry might end up being a Kitchens clone in that he'll be perfectly adequate as an OC but we have no earthly idea how he'll be as an HC, and the college HC everyone's in love with has never shown any interest in leaving for the NFL.  As to Harbaugh...nah.  If he's failing in Michigan, I have no reason to believe he'll be any better here.

Regardless, Roman may well be our best option and all I can hope is that we make a better GM hire this time.

I will never fully get over hiring Hurney back.  What an asinine decision.

One of the best points that has been made in the past few days!

The thing is, we have a LOT of talent.  We just have some piss poor coaching.  I mean, our drafted OTs got victimized by a street fa LB...  C'mon, that has everything to do with drive/want/fight which is a direct reflection of the culture in the building.  This team knows they are done, and while they might play hard, they aren't playing that hard.

I have no idea what we're going to do for a 2020 coach or GM.  I just hope we're able to get someone who can use the talent we have and hide the talent we lack.

 

 

[BrianS]

Honestly, this was the best outcome we could have hoped for.

There is no way Rivera keeps his job.  It may not happen "today", but we'll have a new coach next year.  Seems incredibly clear at this point our players have checked out, and that's 100% on coaching.

[DeAngelo Beason]

It is OBVIOUS that Sean McDermott was the real brains behind the defense the last decade.  

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

It is OBVIOUS that Sean McDermott was the real brains behind the defense the last decade.  

if Sean McDermott was playing Vernon Butler and Stacey McGee at DT....his team would be getting gashed all day long. 

But he has Star and a host of other studs. 

[Khyber53]

This game exposed how ravaged our O-line has become and how soft our defense is. 

Tre Boston was our most aggressive tackler on the day. Tre Frikkin Boston. Most aggressive TACKLER... really let that sink in. 

Our best freaking blocker for the O-line was the running back that we desperately needed to use as a freaking running back. CMC was used as the central point of our pass blocking. Our undersized, best scoring weapon. 

Little Kyle Allen was out there giving it his best, but sheesh he was basically just being overrun like the Belgians every time Germany gets pissed at France. His first two drives were magic. His last two drives almost won the game. Everything in between was just him getting plastered by a Redskins team that quit four weeks ago. A Redskins team that fielded 45 players, each of whom would gladly take a ticket to play for any OTHER team in the league next year.

 This team started getting soft a while back and being a player's coach, Ron allowed it. I'm going to take heat for this but once Cam, the undisputed leader of the team, started showing up in a silk head scarf like Katherine Hepburn at the beach, the group had jumped the shark on having any fight left. The group became drip obsessed and then played like that.. a bunch of drips. 

Football is a game of fast movement, sudden violence, strength and hard-fought battles in the trenches. It's not a place to worry about your manicure or if there's enough protein in your tofu and whey shakes.

Soft teams can't push the lines forward for one yard to make a touchdown, not once but four times... in three different games. Soft teams allow 82-yard rushing teams to bust out for over 200 yards on the ground in their own stadiums. 

There are a few guys giving it their all, but the operative word is few. One of them left the game after being knocked unconscious on the field. Soft teams get their guys hurt and our massive IR listing shows it. 

Rivera never lost the locker room, but I do believe he was lost to the locker room. It's not that he doesn't hold anyone accountable anymore, it's that he no longer can, he's just part of the club. 

So yeah, I give up and throw in the towel of defending this group. Fire the coach, fire the GM and have the next pair walk into OTAs this spring and tell the assembled 55 men that 20 of them will get spots on the new team and those spots will go to whoever is strong enough to take them.

Bunch of frikkin' pansies.

[DeAngelo Beason]

30 minutes ago, CRA said:

if Sean McDermott was playing Vernon Butler and Stacey McGee at DT....his team would be getting gashed all day long. 

But he has Star and a host of other studs. 

Star is NOT a stud.

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Star is NOT a stud.

Star not a stud?  

Star is one of the best in the game at what he does.   And we fell off the map once he left on defense. 

KK got sacks.  We like to talk about sacks. Star was always the best actual DT.  Still is. 

[tiger7_88]

The mediocrity and poor play we are seeing now have been frequent and normal features of Rivera’s tenure at Carolina.

So the only reason I can think of that it took you so long to come around is that you have a higher tolerance for ugly, mediocre football than many (most?) of the rest of us.

[!stUp]

2 hours ago, d-dave said:

One of the best points that has been made in the past few days!

The thing is, we have a LOT of talent.  We just have some piss poor coaching.  I mean, our drafted OTs got victimized by a street fa LB...  C'mon, that has everything to do with drive/want/fight which is a direct reflection of the culture in the building.  This team knows they are done, and while they might play hard, they aren't playing that hard.

I have no idea what we're going to do for a 2020 coach or GM.  I just hope we're able to get someone who can use the talent we have and hide the talent we lack.

 

 

The Ford Pinto is a subcompact car that was manufactured and marketed by Ford Motor Company in North America, sold from the 1971 to the 1980 model years

But point taken.