The Grier Question

[raz]

30 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

What’s hilarious is I said Grier was a Turner pick and you said that was flat out wrong because Norv wanted him. Did you know that Norv’s last name is Turner?

you said he has a coach that never wanted him.   i said that's not true.   you're making stuff up about the situation.  he was a project pick.   some of us think it was a dumb one.  we're probably going to get to see it play out.  you got your tinfoil hat out on this one.   hey, maybe he'll be great, and that'll be great.

[electro's horse]

i know im at the end of the thread and not many people will read this but I've heard from people that would know that Will Grier still struggles to complete the route tree. 

[rippadonn]

Very rarely does a UDFA get the opportunities Kyle has gotten. He was getting ready to sit.

Will Grier better be ready to realize his dream of playing for his home town Panthers. It's coming.

They've studied what Kyle can do and can't and are forcing him into seeing ghosts. When that happens you need something else you can do to move the chains.

Even Brady will run it if they leave it open while locking down his receivers. From what I've seen of Grier, running is more a component of his game. Defenses have to respect that.

[onmyown]

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're approaching Nails/Hardy territory 

I don’t, and haven’t ever, thought Allen was the answer but he’s right.

A new QB won’t fix the oline and worst run d I’ve literally ever seen from the Panthers my entire two decades plus of watching them.

There is absolutely nothing to gain from starting Grier. You think you’ll be able to see what Grier has in  his rookie season under these standards? Because you won’t.

Not every rookie qb can come in and be a superstar like Cam so cycling out every QB on the roster for a few games isn’t going to do poo for you trying to figure them out especially on this team.

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

i know im at the end of the thread and not many people will read this but I've heard from people that would know that Will Grier still struggles to complete the route tree. 

Because he isn’t the answer and no ether is Allen. Draft a QB with a first and have them compete with Cam next offseason or sit behind him or insurance etc.

Cam needs a surgery with a year healing time. 
 

It would be really fuging stupid to go into the season next year knowing that and having Grier and Allen as your insurance.

[rippadonn]

You really don't know until you put Grier in it. Instincts may take over which could be good or bad. Kyle didn't win the job, not on the field at least.

[stratocatter]

Seems like if you aren't impatient you can't be in the club. It was dictated by fate or whatever early on that we have to take a longer term view of things because short term was screwed.

Grier was definitely a project, which takes patience and is a long term proposition. We shouldn't force things. He probably would benefit from some time in a game or two just a taste, to get his feet wet. But to throw him in as a starter? Well if Norv thinks he is ready, I'd change my opinion but I say absolutely no.

 

[carolinarolls]

So while it cannot hurt the team one way or the other due to the o-line being so terrible it certainly can damage the psyche of both QB's in different ways as well as damage the optics of the reasoning and follow through of Rivera.  All solid points.

 

I dont care about the optics and how it may hurt Rivera personally.  I think we need to see what we have in Grier at some point.  Its a lose-lose at this point on psyche to me.  Big boy game.  Too much has gone on to protect anyone's perceived fragility now.  Riv will likely ride Allen into the unemployment line for both of them but I think he would be wise to sub in Grier in the case 'ol seven goes in the hole multiple turnovers again.  Keep Kyle as the starter but play the "he was having a bad day" card.  Even if you have to play it more than once on this down slope toward the impending playoff-less 2020 offseason.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, raz said:

#1 ron had to.  #2 is just flat out wrong.  norv wanted grier.  ron lets norv handle the O.  this makes #3 just incorrect.   norv loves grier.  he was taken as a project.  he did not show up like wilson and take the team over.  he's not ready, and was never expected to be ready.  he was here to sit behind cam and kyle and watch.  there is no conspiracy behind this.  the only reason he got taken at the bottom of the 3rd is our FO and coaches wanted him.   nobody else did.  their basket was attached to cam and cam only.   how do you get a 2nd qb ready when the 1st one isn't quite ready?  they only get to practice so much.  you may get your wish before the season is over.  its gonna probably be hilarious in the bad way

I mean, could it be any more hilariously bad than the SF game? How about last week? 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, could it be any more hilariously bad than the SF game? How about last week? 

Do you really want to see that question answered?

Don't forget we play the Seahawks in a couple of weeks.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, onmyown said:

I don’t, and haven’t ever, thought Allen was the answer but he’s right.

A new QB won’t fix the oline and worst run d I’ve literally ever seen from the Panthers my entire two decades plus of watching them.

There is absolutely nothing to gain from starting Grier. You think you’ll be able to see what Grier has in  his rookie season under these standards? Because you won’t.

Not every rookie qb can come in and be a superstar like Cam so cycling out every QB on the roster for a few games isn’t going to do poo for you trying to figure them out especially on this team.

Tracking as the third worst in YDS/GM and second worst in league ranking so far.

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Do you really want to see that question answered?

Don't forget we play the Seahawks in a couple of weeks.

Would it matter at this point? Do you really care if we lose by 20 or 40? I don't. 

My point being, unless the coaching staff really feels that Grier is completely incapable of playing, what is there to really lose anymore? And this is under the assumption that we trust the coaching staff assessment(very debatable). Even if that assessment were true, what does that say about Norv's decision to lobby for him, the coaching staff's ability to get him prepared and Hurney's decision to draft him?

At this point we all are pretty much in agreement that Kyle isn't the future and continuing to send him out to get shelled and perform horribly is not really doing much for his confidence either. I'm just not really buying into any of the downside arguments. 

[Harbingers]

22 hours ago, d-dave said:

I'd love to see if Grier has gotten better, but I'm not holding my breath.  I don't think it sends the right message to the team.  These guys are still playing for future contracts and putting their film together when the team gets blown up.  Rivera will stick with Allen because he gives them the best chance to win now.  Grier...who knows.  All I know in preseason, he looked like Allen did on Sunday...  So it could be much worse!

Who drafted jimmy Clausen again? 

[mc52beast]

22 hours ago, Snake said:

This whole play Grier thing has only come up because the Cam Nut huggers have taken their anger out on Allen and the other group is just in desperation mode thinking somehow a QB is not going to make our Oline a turnstile. 

I was waiting for the Kyle Allen Fan Club to show up, you never disappoint me with your constant “Nut Hugger” comments even though you seem to have a mouthful of Allen’s.