The Grier Question

[GoPanthers123]

Allen will and should play the rest of the season, he earned the chance to improve his game and is 6-3 as a starter.  We should talk about QB situation after the season. 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, GoPanthers123 said:

Allen will and should play the rest of the season, he earned the chance to improve his game and is 6-3 as a starter.  We should talk about QB situation after the season. 

Well at least someone sees it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, rippadonn said:

I want him to do well and really wish he'd done better but the other teams now know they'll get a turnover or two and it hypes them up gives them life. They're salivating. When you're trying to get a strangle hold on the game you can't keep giving them the ball. There is a third rounder behind him. As a UDFA you have to know INTS, and fumbles are the first thing to put you on the bench.

 

Maaaaaaaaan, this is a Ron Rivera coached team. Once you're inserted as a starter, the only thing that can put you on the bench is an injury and as we've seen in the past, if you're a QB that might still not be enough.

[GoPanthers123]

24 minutes ago, Snake said:

Well at least someone sees it. 

I do see it, and I have life experience to know that improving something that is almost working is better than starting from the beginning again.

[ItsJustMe]

8 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

We did it with Heinekie and Allen last season. Why should it be any different this time around.

In my opinion after Allen’s recent performances, Grier should at minimum be getting some reps with the first unit in practice and should have been playing during garbage time in games.

Honestly only reason Allen played was because heinekie was almost decapitated in the ATL game, and this retarded coaching staff still kept him in the game with a busted elbow. 

[Krovvy]

I personally have seen enough of Allen. I just don't think he's physically talented enough to be an NFL franchise quarterback. Will Grier might have been terrible in the preseason, but at least he has some positive physical traits. Grier's biggest problem is he's all arm, and doesn't use his hips. If he can get comfortable with a new throwing motion he could have some potential.

[Eazy-E]

2 hours ago, ItsJustMe said:

Honestly only reason Allen played was because heinekie was almost decapitated in the ATL game, and this retarded coaching staff still kept him in the game with a busted elbow. 

and that retarded coaching staff thought Heinekie was the better QB until he got hurt. What a shocker.

I'd almost be willing to bet money that Grier would look better than Allen given the chance just due to arm strength alone. I don't trust Ron what so ever when it comes to talent evaluation.

[Carl Spackler]

There are a handful of points to consider before taking a side in this argument:

1) Ron put all of his eggs in the No. 7 basket this season. He did, as many of you hoped, “roll with Allen.” Problem is he’s begun to roll snakeyes. 

2) Ron’s focus this season is about keeping his job. In training camp, he gave Grier much fewer reps than he gave Allen. This was a planned decision based on what he saw in Week 17 that also likely meant he didn’t want Grier in the first place. Grier was a Turner pick. 

3) With little to no practice reps to this day, a coach who doesn’t support him, a trash OL and fickle, restless fans, now is probably not the time to start Grier. Rivera’s calculated gamble that Allen would save his job meant that if Allen sucked, Ron didn’t prepare Grier or give him a chance to develop this year. This is a lost season for Grier because Ron didn’t try to develop him, make him better or publicly support him. He admitted as much in what he’s said the last month. 

Whether Ron admits it or not, this is a redshirt year for Grier — which is unfortunate for him and for us in the current circumstances. Ron went all in on Allen. He’s got six games to save Ron’s ass now. 

[Carl Spackler]

8 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

and that retarded coaching staff thought Heinekie was the better QB until he got hurt. What a shocker.

I'd almost be willing to bet money that Grier would look better than Allen given the chance just due to arm strength alone. I don't trust Ron what so ever when it comes to talent evaluation.

I think Ron sort of chooses who he likes early in a guy’s first season and that’s that. If you’re not one of Ron’s Guys, you’re not seeing that field. 

In his defense, he has to do this to an extent so he can save his ass. But he’s also gotten himself in hot water when we’ve realized that he’s benched players who were far better than the ones he was starting. 

[weyco2000]

12 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Kyle did beat him, but to be fair, both QBs looked atrocious in the preseason.  

All THREE looked atrocious 

[weyco2000]

12 hours ago, WoahW said:

Grier needs to start literally this week. Allen has shown that if he isn’t playing a bottom 5 defense he looks like a deer in headlights and makes mistakes no QB should make (like closing your eyes and throwing an INT to a d-lineman). He had his shot and it didn’t work let’s see what our 3rd rounder has to offer. 

No he doesn't, this upcoming week is basically an elimination game. 

[raz]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

There are a handful of points to consider before taking a side in this argument:

1) Ron put all of his eggs in the No. 7 basket this season. He did, as many of you hoped, “roll with Allen.” Problem is he’s begun to roll snakeyes. 

2) Ron’s focus this season is about keeping his job. In training camp, he gave Grier much fewer reps than he gave Allen. This was a planned decision based on what he saw in Week 17 that also likely meant he didn’t want Grier in the first place. Grier was a Turner pick. 

3) With little to no practice reps to this day, a coach who doesn’t support him, a trash OL and fickle, restless fans, now is probably not the time to start Grier. Rivera’s calculated gamble that Allen would save his job meant that if Allen sucked, Ron didn’t prepare Grier or give him a chance to develop this year. This is a lost season for Grier because Ron didn’t try to develop him, make him better or publicly support him. He admitted as much in what he’s said the last month. 

Whether Ron admits it or not, this is a redshirt year for Grier — which is unfortunate for him and for us in the current circumstances. Ron went all in on Allen. He’s got six games to save Ron’s ass now. 

#1 ron had to.  #2 is just flat out wrong.  norv wanted grier.  ron lets norv handle the O.  this makes #3 just incorrect.   norv loves grier.  he was taken as a project.  he did not show up like wilson and take the team over.  he's not ready, and was never expected to be ready.  he was here to sit behind cam and kyle and watch.  there is no conspiracy behind this.  the only reason he got taken at the bottom of the 3rd is our FO and coaches wanted him.   nobody else did.  their basket was attached to cam and cam only.   how do you get a 2nd qb ready when the 1st one isn't quite ready?  they only get to practice so much.  you may get your wish before the season is over.  its gonna probably be hilarious in the bad way

[Khyber53]

I wouldn't start Grier, but keep Allen as the starter to give him more seasoning. Yep, it has been a baptism by fire, but that's what happens in the NFL. Young QBs don't get thrown out there with perfect O-lines and innovative coaching -- they generally get thrown out there in desperation and into injury-riddled lineups. They get beat senseless, and then they either learn from their many mistakes or wither under the pressure. Almost all the good to great QBs in this league started off that way except for Rogers.

That's what has happened here. The Kid came out firing on all cylinders better than anyone had a right to expect, but now he has returned to the mean for rookie QBs (and yes, he had one prior game's experience, but otherwise he was as close to a rookie as can be). Allen has to stick with it and suffer the lumps and learn from them. He won't on the bench and he won't get the leadership skills necessary if he does need to be the starting QB next season. I loved seeing Cam play but I just don't have much faith in his recovery from injury this time.

Should Grier get into the games? Yes, indeed. If we are getting blown out, send him in, let him see the elephant (so to say). He might do something spectacular, but most likely will do the rookie QB mistake-filled shuffle, but we can go ahead and start getting some of those steps out of the way.

Dropping Kyle as the starter, though? No. We may or may not have something in the Kid, and it will take time to tell. If we bail on him, we'll never find out until someone else picks him up and gives him a shot. 

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, raz said:

#1 ron had to.  #2 is just flat out wrong.  norv wanted grier.  ron lets norv handle the O.  this makes #3 just incorrect.   norv loves grier.  he was taken as a project.  he did not show up like wilson and take the team over.  he's not ready, and was never expected to be ready.  he was here to sit behind cam and kyle and watch.  there is no conspiracy behind this.  the only reason he got taken at the bottom of the 3rd is our FO and coaches wanted him.   nobody else did.  their basket was attached to cam and cam only.   how do you get a 2nd qb ready when the 1st one isn't quite ready?  they only get to practice so much.  you may get your wish before the season is over.  its gonna probably be hilarious in the bad way

What’s hilarious is I said Grier was a Turner pick and you said that was flat out wrong because Norv wanted him. Did you know that Norv’s last name is Turner?