While everybody seems negative, here's some positives...

[musicman]

O-line. Next year we should have 3 good tackles in Moton, Little and Daley. I didn't say great, but good with more experience. Paradis could be what Poe was last yea, 1st year disappointment and maybe the injury is taken longer to come back from. Hope is my thought there. DVG is solid, not great but very good and cheap. Trai could be my only concern as injuries are taken a toll on him. I see them drafting or signing a G or possibly a C high in the draft.

WR. I see another experienced FA WR being added as Moore will be wide but I see Samuel moving more to slot with his speed. After that, who knows, maybe a 4th or 5th round pick for depth and speed (and a little height).

TE. I wonder if Olsen will be back and what happened with Thomas. I see them drafting a TE in the top 3 rounds, especially if Olsen goes into broadcasting.

QB. Who knows but if Cams healthy, I would give him a shot. If not, is it Grier time? I would give him a couple of starts this year just to see.

RB/FB. Set.

D-line. I would sign Irvin one more year. Poe is good for another. Burns looks great and Miller & #98 (name escapes me) are good. Obada is good depth. Mario should have another year left in him. Just hope KK can come back and have a great year which I believe he will. Butler I believe is gone as he's flashed, so maybe they sign an experienced DT but not bad going into next year.

LB. The loss of TD and the impact it had on Luke is/was tremendous. TD was great against the run and they fed off each other. Shaq has a lot of talent but I don't know if he was the answer they hoped (gap coverage, getting off blacks, etc.) The others I am not sure about and Burns and Miller play OLB too which are promising. This may need a high draft pick or top signing. LB has to be versatile with speed.

DB's. Need to sign Bradberry. Jackson should be the slot corner and resign Cocktrell for the outside. Then build your depth. Reid is not showing the same he did least year so let's see how he finishes but at least he plays with passion and has talent. Love Tre's energy and I would sign him again. If a Safety can be found in the mid rounds, I would draft and develop. 

My point to all of this the team is just a few pieces away from being competitive and for the most part (except 2 games) we were competitive this year. Injuries derail most teams and some bad plays which is on the players, not coaches. Hurney can't be blames for injuries. He addressed every need with limited money and everybody praised him before the season. RR lost his franchise QB and arguably his 2nd best defensive player in KK and then a multitude of injuries, especially at LT. How can you blame him for injuries and the bad play of players? How do you know what's being said behind the scenes? 

If we can get to 8-8, 9-7 that's not bad for all that has happened. When Cam and KK went down after an 0-2 start, 9-7 was unimaginable. I have to believe Tepper sees that. Have faith and support, not tear down. Complaining is easy. Unconditional support is hard. Let's hope we stay competitive and regroup next year. We are not winning the Super Bowl this year but we can still win a few games. Getting the Saints at least once will be nice.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

9 minutes ago, musicman said:

Snip for brevity 

 

Love some positivity. Good to see a thread about looking at things in a positive light. Having said that I will support the team but not the coaching staff and FO unconditionally. I think many of the things you speak about as possible are more likely to come about with changes in these areas.

But sports is supposed to be fun, so let’s stay positive.

[lightsout]

On the QB topic, let's assume we're not getting Cam back....why throw Grier out there now? This idea of putting the young QB through the fire is a recent-ish phenomenon. It wasn't long ago that QBs were supposed to ride the pine, learn, develop and hit the field with the full playbook and some chemistry with the receivers. QBs have longer careers than the average player assuming they start and so having them sit for a couple years isn't a big ask.

I want Grier on the bench next season too. I want him to slowly take over, if he ever does. Throwing a young QB to the wolves has two possible outcomes typically. The Cam reaction, where he lights it up. Or they just implode and never recover from utterly falling on their face.

[Jeremy Igo]

Good topic. I needed this.

[Matt62881]

46 minutes ago, musicman said:

O-line. Next year we should have 3 good tackles in Moton, Little and Daley. I didn't say great, but good with more experience. Paradis could be what Poe was last yea, 1st year disappointment and maybe the injury is taken longer to come back from. Hope is my thought there. DVG is solid, not great but very good and cheap. Trai could be my only concern as injuries are taken a toll on him. I see them drafting or signing a G or possibly a C high in the draft.

WR. I see another experienced FA WR being added as Moore will be wide but I see Samuel moving more to slot with his speed. After that, who knows, maybe a 4th or 5th round pick for depth and speed (and a little height).

TE. I wonder if Olsen will be back and what happened with Thomas. I see them drafting a TE in the top 3 rounds, especially if Olsen goes into broadcasting.

QB. Who knows but if Cams healthy, I would give him a shot. If not, is it Grier time? I would give him a couple of starts this year just to see.

RB/FB. Set.

D-line. I would sign Irvin one more year. Poe is good for another. Burns looks great and Miller & #98 (name escapes me) are good. Obada is good depth. Mario should have another year left in him. Just hope KK can come back and have a great year which I believe he will. Butler I believe is gone as he's flashed, so maybe they sign an experienced DT but not bad going into next year.

LB. The loss of TD and the impact it had on Luke is/was tremendous. TD was great against the run and they fed off each other. Shaq has a lot of talent but I don't know if he was the answer they hoped (gap coverage, getting off blacks, etc.) The others I am not sure about and Burns and Miller play OLB too which are promising. This may need a high draft pick or top signing. LB has to be versatile with speed.

DB's. Need to sign Bradberry. Jackson should be the slot corner and resign Cocktrell for the outside. Then build your depth. Reid is not showing the same he did least year so let's see how he finishes but at least he plays with passion and has talent. Love Tre's energy and I would sign him again. If a Safety can be found in the mid rounds, I would draft and develop. 

My point to all of this the team is just a few pieces away from being competitive and for the most part (except 2 games) we were competitive this year. Injuries derail most teams and some bad plays which is on the players, not coaches. Hurney can't be blames for injuries. He addressed every need with limited money and everybody praised him before the season. RR lost his franchise QB and arguably his 2nd best defensive player in KK and then a multitude of injuries, especially at LT. How can you blame him for injuries and the bad play of players? How do you know what's being said behind the scenes? 

If we can get to 8-8, 9-7 that's not bad for all that has happened. When Cam and KK went down after an 0-2 start, 9-7 was unimaginable. I have to believe Tepper sees that. Have faith and support, not tear down. Complaining is easy. Unconditional support is hard. Let's hope we stay competitive and regroup next year. We are not winning the Super Bowl this year but we can still win a few games. Getting the Saints at least once will be nice.

 

Thanks for being positive i suggested pretty much the same and got pood on. Only thing i would change is keep poe cheap for depth if possible and draft a big 34 NT. As much as i miss Davis, Shaq has done fine its the multiple double teams and gap control from our guys up front that allow olineman to get on keek. I like Jackson on the outside without a groin injury as we need moveable corners to match speed or size, we do however need to draft a corner for depth. With the return of Cam, I hope (it would be stupid to let a healthy elite QB go and i do think he will be healthy) Samuel needs to be outside to stretch the field and take the top off the D. He has the ability to catch underneath and middle routes as well with soft hands but he, when schemed, gets behind the D multiple times a game and is underthrown because of the lack of arm strength of Allen( maybe could b4 fixed in the weight room) and keep a savy vet in the slot. Hope we bring back Olsen and dont understand why we are so stuck on Manhertz, Ian can block and is far more athletic as a pass catcher. Everything else i agree on 100%!!

[Matt62881]

45 minutes ago, musicman said:

O-line. Next year we should have 3 good tackles in Moton, Little and Daley. I didn't say great, but good with more experience. Paradis could be what Poe was last yea, 1st year disappointment and maybe the injury is taken longer to come back from. Hope is my thought there. DVG is solid, not great but very good and cheap. Trai could be my only concern as injuries are taken a toll on him. I see them drafting or signing a G or possibly a C high in the draft.

WR. I see another experienced FA WR being added as Moore will be wide but I see Samuel moving more to slot with his speed. After that, who knows, maybe a 4th or 5th round pick for depth and speed (and a little height).

TE. I wonder if Olsen will be back and what happened with Thomas. I see them drafting a TE in the top 3 rounds, especially if Olsen goes into broadcasting.

QB. Who knows but if Cams healthy, I would give him a shot. If not, is it Grier time? I would give him a couple of starts this year just to see.

RB/FB. Set.

D-line. I would sign Irvin one more year. Poe is good for another. Burns looks great and Miller & #98 (name escapes me) are good. Obada is good depth. Mario should have another year left in him. Just hope KK can come back and have a great year which I believe he will. Butler I believe is gone as he's flashed, so maybe they sign an experienced DT but not bad going into next year.

LB. The loss of TD and the impact it had on Luke is/was tremendous. TD was great against the run and they fed off each other. Shaq has a lot of talent but I don't know if he was the answer they hoped (gap coverage, getting off blacks, etc.) The others I am not sure about and Burns and Miller play OLB too which are promising. This may need a high draft pick or top signing. LB has to be versatile with speed.

DB's. Need to sign Bradberry. Jackson should be the slot corner and resign Cocktrell for the outside. Then build your depth. Reid is not showing the same he did least year so let's see how he finishes but at least he plays with passion and has talent. Love Tre's energy and I would sign him again. If a Safety can be found in the mid rounds, I would draft and develop. 

My point to all of this the team is just a few pieces away from being competitive and for the most part (except 2 games) we were competitive this year. Injuries derail most teams and some bad plays which is on the players, not coaches. Hurney can't be blames for injuries. He addressed every need with limited money and everybody praised him before the season. RR lost his franchise QB and arguably his 2nd best defensive player in KK and then a multitude of injuries, especially at LT. How can you blame him for injuries and the bad play of players? How do you know what's being said behind the scenes? 

If we can get to 8-8, 9-7 that's not bad for all that has happened. When Cam and KK went down after an 0-2 start, 9-7 was unimaginable. I have to believe Tepper sees that. Have faith and support, not tear down. Complaining is easy. Unconditional support is hard. Let's hope we stay competitive and regroup next year. We are not winning the Super Bowl this year but we can still win a few games. Getting the Saints at least once will be nice.

 

Oh i think our top draft/FA needs depending on depth in the draft is 1. 34 NT 2. Cb or FS 3.inside olineman (all 3 positions) 4. Good return man 5. Possibly a K. Lol ...I would actually put inside oline ahead of dbs...

[SOJA]

Posted in the other thread but we have 10 great to solid young guys on this team 

 

We need a new coach and a healthy cam or a stud rookie and we're back in this 

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The cap savings on Short and Poe are unbelievable so I think we do need to draft DTs. Maybe we can resign Butler and McCoy and use the cap savings to sign another interior DL. Then we draft another DT. Maybe one of the studs like Brown reaches us. Man, last year’s draft class was full of DTs. I just hope we aren’t forced to spend $31M in cap on Short and Poe.

  The savings on KK used to be significant. Now...not so much. 

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Oh, I know. Still can save $14M in 2020. Restructuring his contract just to do nothing with it was stupid. His dead money after 2019 went up $4-6M or something like that for no good reason.

Even if we stupidly keep him in 2020, he’s still got almost $11M dead cap in 2021.

I didn't understand that restructure then, and I certainly don't now.  What a braindead move.

That said, OP, good on you for being able to see the silver lining.  I will likely be able to join you once we have cleaned house.

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Oh, I know. Still can save $14M in 2020. Restructuring his contract just to do nothing with it was stupid. His dead money after 2019 went up $4-6M or something like that for no good reason.

Even if we stupidly keep him in 2020, he’s still got almost $11M dead cap in 2021.

 If only someone had mentioned this possibility before and when it happened. 

[Mr. Scot]

Little being out there still makes me nervous (for him, that is). I agree he has potential if he can stay healthy though.

One complaint: Still couldn't believe that dumbass move of dropping straight back this past Sunday. They teach you basics like that in high school. How do you get to the pros and not know that?

[DubE_4MR]

Once we learn about the progress with Cam's health and the decision is made about the quarterback, then I think all of the chips will fall into place. The offseason focus should be retaining our own guys and improving the trenches through the draft and free agency. There are a lot of good players on the roster still.

[Matt62881]

49 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Oh, I know. Still can save $14M in 2020. Restructuring his contract just to do nothing with it was stupid. His dead money after 2019 went up $4-6M or something like that for no good reason.

Even if we stupidly keep him in 2020, he’s still got almost $11M dead cap in 2021.

Hoping KK comes back 100% and get gmccoy back let go of Poe. KK-1st rd 34 Dt-Gmccoy will generate good pass rush and hold the run down.

[kungfoodude]

59 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I didn't understand that restructure then, and I certainly don't now.  What a braindead move.

That said, OP, good on you for being able to see the silver lining.  I will likely be able to join you once we have cleaned house.

There is too much uncertainty regarding the future for me to be positive. The roster may be completely different, the coaching staff may be completely different and the front office may be completely different. 

Once all that is sorted out, I will probably be cautiously optimistic to very optimistic.