Tepper needs to take some responsibility.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

Not to mention Tepper is the guy who told Hurney and Rivera to shut Cam down last season. Was right there for everyone to watch in "All or Nothing."

It’s absolutely irrational to be blaming Tepper for anything at this stage. Maybe after next season but not at all right now 

[thefuzz]

Just now, TheMostInterestingMan said:

It’s absolutely irrational to be blaming Tepper for anything at this stage. Maybe after next season but not at all right now 

Anything?

So absolutely nothing he has done deserves any blame?

[Jase]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

It’s absolutely irrational to be blaming Tepper for anything at this stage. Maybe after next season but not at all right now 

Why?

i think that would be fair if Tepper was as hands-off an owner as JR was.
 

Tepper kept Ron and Hurney around, but made them change the way they operate. If he wanted things done that differently, he should have gotten new guys, instead of micromanaging the guys he has.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Anything?

So absolutely nothing he has done deserves any blame?

As it relates to our current record? No. And good luck formulating a sensible reason to convince me otherwise. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

Just now, Jase said:

Why?

i think that would be fair if Tepper was as hands-off an owner as JR was.
 

Tepper kept Ron and Hurney around, but made them change the way they operate. If he wanted things done that differently, he should have gotten new guys, instead of micromanaging the guys he has.

Where is all this evidence that he is forcing them to do things all his way? You are basically indicating he’s coaching this team at this point. Where are you getting this from?

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

As it relates to our current record? No. And good luck formulating a sensible reason to convince me otherwise. 

You adding qualifiers to your original statement now?

That it's irrational to blame Tepper for anything?  Now it's irrational to blame him for our current W/L record?

 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You adding qualifiers to your original statement now?

That it's irrational to blame Tepper for anything?  Now it's irrational to blame him for our current W/L record?

 

Wtf are you even talking about? No I’m not adding qualifiers to anything. The thread states Tepper should take responsibility for this season. For what exactly? 

What has he done that’s so bad? Kept a staff that was 6-2 before their star QB was injured last year? That was unreasonable of him? Really? Explain to me how a good GM would have done things differently so far. I’ll wait.

I imagine the sign of a bad GM that wants to micromanage everything is the guy that comes in and fires everyone to bring in “his guys” from day one. That’s the guy you should be worried about.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Wtf are you even talking about? No I’m not adding qualifiers to anything. The thread states Tepper should take responsibility for this season. For what exactly? 

What has he done that’s so bad? Kept a staff that was 6-2 before their star QB was injured last year? That was unreasonable of him? Really? Explain to me how a good GM would have done things differently so far. I’ll wait.

I imagine the sign of a bad GM that wants to micromanage everything is the guy that comes in and fires everyone to bring in “his guys” from day one. That’s the guy you should be worried about.

As long as Tepper continues to trot out there a losing duo in Marty and Ron Rivera, I can blame him.

Marty's record is as clear as glass, Ron's has a bit of a film on it, but you can still see the record pretty clearly.....and that was with the majority of his tenure having a world beaters at QB, and at MLB on the other side.

It's simple really.  Tepper chose to keep Marty and Ron, the results were pretty much what anyone who has followed the Panthers for any amount of time could have told you they would be.  An average team at best.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

As long as Tepper continues to trot out there a losing duo in Marty and Ron Rivera, I can blame him.

Marty's record is as clear as glass, Ron's has a bit of a film on it, but you can still see the record pretty clearly.....and that was with the majority of his tenure having a world beaters at QB, and at MLB on the other side.

It's simple really.  Tepper chose to keep Marty and Ron, the results were pretty much what anyone who has followed the Panthers for any amount of time could have told you they would be.  An average team at best.

Lol. And this is exactly my point. You guys are pissed and what looks to be a souring end to the season and have your pitchforks out ready to blame anyone and everyone to get your frustration out. Truth is, you aren’t looking at Tepper through a clear lens. You are on the “hell, I could have told him THAT!” way of thinking and not fairly judging him based on how a level headed GM should operate. 

Well that’s on you. But blaming him right now is silly. He’s been here not even two seasons yet and certainly has done the sensible things in his tenure so far.

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

As long as Tepper continues to trot out there a losing duo in Marty and Ron Rivera, I can blame him.

Marty's record is as clear as glass, Ron's has a bit of a film on it, but you can still see the record pretty clearly.....and that was with the majority of his tenure having a world beaters at QB, and at MLB on the other side.

It's simple really.  Tepper chose to keep Marty and Ron, the results were pretty much what anyone who has followed the Panthers for any amount of time could have told you they would be.  An average team at best.

You're overreacting because you're thinking like an irrational football fan, not as a business owner. It's natural; I've been screaming for Rivera's firing myself, but the rational side of me understands you don't just come into a business and blow it up until you understand it. This is the first full season Tepper has had control of the Panthers. I believe he'll replace both guys this off-season, now that he understands this business better, and has had a full off-season and regular season to evaluate their performance. 

[TheMostInterestingMan]

1 minute ago, PanthersBigD said:

You're overreacting because you're thinking like an irrational football fan, not as a business owner. It's natural; I've been screaming for Rivera's firing myself, but the rational side of me understands you don't just come into a business and blow it up until you understand it. This is the first full season Tepper has had control of the Panthers. I believe he'll replace both guys this off-season, now that he understands this business better, and has had a full off-season and regular season to evaluate their performance. 

No room for common sense around here! Off with his head! Lol

[PanthersBigD]

1 minute ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

No room for common sense around here! Off with his head! Lol

I mean, I get it. That's what I was screaming/texting/typing at anyone who would listen yesterday, but I was referring to Rivera!

 

[JawnyBlaze]

I actually had no problem with any of the “analytics”. Going for two last week, the fourth down attempts this week. No problem with any of that. I’m not down on Tepper yet. I would have preferred he fired Ron after last season (or better yet, go back to 2012, get the dirt on JR sooner, buy the team then and fire Ron before 2013) but i understand the need for him to give it more time to evaluate. If Ron survives this offseason, however, Tepper is dead to me. 

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Lol. And this is exactly my point. You guys are pissed and what looks to be a souring end to the season and have your pitchforks out ready to blame anyone and everyone to get your frustration out. Truth is, you aren’t looking at Tepper through a clear lens. You are on the “hell, I could have told him THAT!” way of thinking and not fairly judging him based on how a level headed GM should operate. 

Well that’s on you. But blaming him right now is silly. He’s been here not even two seasons yet and certainly has done the sensible things in his tenure so far.

Have you ever owned a business?