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It's time for Will Grier

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2 minutes ago, Wolfpack352 said:

Didn't he get hurt badly and never been same since?  Could happen to any player.  Any player can have flashes, rise and then fall.  It is consistency good play I look for and hope for the team.  

Yea we are talking about Lamar types behind our line.  This line isn't any worse than the lines Cam has been behind he has just made them look better.  Lamar behind our line would have a short career like RG3

 

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I think Will was the one of the top 100 (give or take a couple of slots) in the draft. That's a pretty high investment for a team coming off of a 7-9 season and starting QB coming off of season ending shoulder surgery. 

I think most of us assumed that selection meant that he would be the #2 QB on the roster going forward, or possibly the franchise guy if Cam leaves the team after his contract expires in 2020. We all wanted Cam to return to his pre-injury form this season. But, Cam getting hurt this year gave the team an opportunity to see what it has in Will.  Had he come in an played like Josh, we'd know that he is an effective back up at worst and possibly a starter under certain circumstances. Not playing him has made that pick practically worthless. Based on how this year has turned out we could have used that pick to bolster the O-line, D-line, LB core, or secondary.

I know some may feel that he's not ready...and you could be right. I also think Ron realizes that the could be fired if this season go down the drain, so he may not be willing to put his career in the hands of a rookie QB. That said, if they feel that Will isn't ready then it means that he shouldn't have been taken in the 3rd round given our QB situation heading into the 2018 off season.

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25 minutes ago, countryboi said:

this is an awful idea, he is not ready....if he was ready he would be playing. 

He isn't but he won't have a choice if things get worse, which they could. 

Our 2021 qb isn't on the roster if a new staff is brought in(which is a given at this point) 

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4 hours ago, Snake said:

Yeah Lamar is going to be better than Cam and he's got a great Oline to protect him as well. 

 

4 hours ago, Wolfpack352 said:

Agree to disagree.....I think Lamar is better at this point, he is quicker.  Cam used his legs alot yes and felt more like another RB and can run downhill for the needed extra gains for first down cause he bigger man.  Lamar just seems quicker WR like and gets more than a first down, kid is running wild right now.  

Wait you guys seriously think lamar is a better thrower of the football than cam has been? Now the running I can definitely see that he's sensational. But I didn't think we would ever say he's a better passer already. You guys have short term memories or really hate cam.

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4 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

He isn't but he won't have a choice if things get worse, which they could. 

Our 2021 qb isn't on the roster if a new staff is brought in(which is a given at this point) 

I see nothing wrong with drafting a QB in the upper end of the draft every few years and developing him into a reliable backup and/or possible trade bait for a team in need of a potential starter. My problem with the Grier pick in the 3rd round  is the fact that your starting QB was coming off of a major shoulder injury/surgery. When Will was drafted we didn't even know if Cam would be ready to throw in training camp, much less start the season.

He didn't have the luxury of being groomed given Cam's off season status. If the coaching staff wasn't sure he could carry the load if Cam was injured then they should have used that pick to address other needs and look for a veteran in FA or via trade.  Taking a QB in rounds 4-7 wouldn't hurt as bad as blowing a pick in the top 100 in the 3rd round.

Ron Rivera (and Marty Hurney) have to realize they could both be canned at season's end. If I was in their situation prior to the 2019 season and coming off of a 7-9 record, there is no way I would have bet my future on an undrafted FA (Allen) and/or a 3rd round rookie (Grier) to step and hold things together with the possibility of Cam not being 100% to start the season.

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1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

Yea, I was in the camp that thought Kyle Allen could be a decent starter.  Over the last few weeks I have changed my opinion.  I still think Kyle Allen is a quality backup. A backup isn't supposed to play 14 games and it's obviously too much for him at this point in his career.  

That being said, it's time to start Will Grier and see what you have in him.  At this point if the coaching staff doesn't start him, does this show how little faith they have in him?

Or how much faith they have in hurney?

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14 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

 

Wait you guys seriously think lamar is a better thrower of the football than cam has been? Now the running I cand definently see that he's sensational. But I didn't think we would ever say he's a better passer already. You guys have short term memories or really hate cam.

Man these dudes are so disrespectful when it comes to Cam. Cam broke the single season rushing TD record for QBs - all time - in his rookie season!

Just go back and watch his rookie highlights. Lamar is great. No doubt about that. Cam was a different animal though. Goal line runs, first down runs, long runs too. Jumping over and running through linebackers. Outrunning CBs and Safeties. Lamar is quick twitch. He ain't the complete package Cam was. 

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1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

 

Wait you guys seriously think lamar is a better thrower of the football than cam has been? Now the running I cand definently see that he's sensational. But I didn't think we would ever say he's a better passer already. You guys have short term memories or really hate cam.

 

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Man these dudes are so disrespectful when it comes to Cam. Cam broke the single season rushing TD record for QBs - all time - in his rookie season!

Just go back and watch his rookie highlights. Lamar is great. No doubt about that. Cam was a different animal though. Goal line runs, first down runs, long runs too. Jumping over and running through linebackers. Outrunning CBs and Safeties. Lamar is quick twitch. He ain't the complete package Cam was. 

LOL....Sometimes people tend to over analyze others opinions.  Lamar is doing great, even throwing TD's!  

2,258 yds 19TD 5int 788 rushing yards this year

Now he could continue to rise, sure.  He could hit his peak and start tanking, sure.  Will Cam be back to his usual ways, possible.  Or is he done and limited to pocket passing?  Possibly.  

 

It is really irrelevant.....the team as a whole simply isn't meshing, just flashes here and there.  I think we all can agree there needs to be lot of changes.  

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3 hours ago, Wolfpack352 said:

Agree to disagree.....I think Lamar is better at this point, he is quicker.  Cam used his legs alot yes and felt more like another RB and can run downhill for the needed extra gains for first down cause he bigger man.  Lamar just seems quicker WR like and gets more than a first down, kid is running wild right now.  

NFL teams (with the talent to do it ) will eventually counter Lamar....his time is coming.  

Seen it with all the guys that do what Lamar is doing 

 

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