Kyle Allen Fan Club please show yourselves

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[Carl Spackler]

It's worth noting that Kyle Allen has so much moxie. He's gritty

[AggieLean]

25 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

People are just made the huddle has become more egalitarian. No QBs are safe here white or black. 

Maybe it’s growth and certain posters have learned from their old ways, lol. 

Its mighty fishy, though.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, raz said:

you think the foot is the only issue, or more likely hope it is.   nobody knows about the shoulder.   what if tua falls to us, or one of the other real good qb prospects.   

Well where Saca likely has a point is by the time Tua would be ready to contend, or Allen was able to develop to a high level, you're probably talking several years down the road when Luke, CMC and other key guys are getting past their prime.  Especially at CMC's current usage rate, which is a little alarming.

[1of10Charnatives]

59 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Maybe it’s growth and certain posters have learned from their old ways, lol. 

Its mighty fishy, though.

Here's one plausible notion I'll throw out: people form impressions quickly, often the first thing they notice is what they tend to stick with until overwhelming evidence forces them to see things differently. Cam's talent was there from day one, but his accuracy in early career was definitely suspect, so that was a lot of people's first impression of him, and I'll include myself.  Kyle on the other hand came in and looked more impressive, especially relative to people's expectations, and beat those expectations by wide margins for a handful of games. So even though he's falling back to earth hard now, and Cam's completion percentage went up substantially once he was no longer in an offense that asked him to hold the ball until St Swibbons Day, I think it's human nature to consider your first impression of someone as the baseline and stick to it even if the evidence doesn't continue to match that impression later. 

This obviously isn't going to explain everyone not being consistent in their appraisal, but in my experience, expecting consistency from h sapiens is often a quick way to disapointment. We're a weird bunch of primates for sure. Speaking of fish, I'm not sure that dolphins haven't outwitted us. They are the only other species that has sex for pleasure, and you don't see any of them having to worry about jobs or whether their pension fund is gonna go broke. They just skate by scarfing down free fish at Sea World on the excuse they don't have thumbs. Well played dolphins, well played.

[PantherFanInPhilly]

On 11/18/2019 at 9:49 AM, tiger7_88 said:

I’ve been to the Northeast, the Midwest, the Southwest, the Far West, Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, Central America, and the Caribbean.

Let me assure you, racism ain’t unique to the Southeast. In fact, its worse in the Northeast and pretty much every place I’ve been overseas excepting the Caribbean. 

Agreed. I was born and raised in Greenville, South Carolina. I've also lived in Chicago and currently live in Philly. From my experiences, I seem to encounter more casual racists in both of these large "progressive" cities than I did in Greenville.

[MasterAwesome]

Are we gonna have to deal with these cringey threads for the rest of the season?

Imagine if I make a thread every time Slye misses a FG, like “Lolol you Gano haters who propped up Slye by putting down Gano, where you at now?!” and just started tagging those people. I would never actually do that because it’s pathetic and I have a life, but more importantly I wouldn’t joyfully gloat in the demise of my team just to validate my position.

[firefox1234]

53 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Are we gonna have to deal with these cringey threads for the rest of the season?

Imagine if I make a thread every time Slye misses a FG, like “Lolol you Gano haters who propped up Slye by putting down Gano, where you at now?!” and just started tagging those people. I would never actually do that because it’s pathetic and I have a life, but more importantly I wouldn’t joyfully gloat in the demise of my team just to validate my position.

You bring up an interesting point. What is the difference in the Kyle Allen vs Cam Newton “debate” that has people so divisive that the Slye vs Gano debate doesn’t seem to generate? Very interesting indeed.....

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, firefox1234 said:

You bring up an interesting point. What is the difference in the Kyle Allen vs Cam Newton “debate” that has people so divisive that the Slye vs Gano debate doesn’t seem to generate? Very interesting indeed.....

equal parts race and how important qb is vs kicker to a team's success.

[AggieLean]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's one plausible notion I'll throw out: people form impressions quickly, often the first thing they notice is what they tend to stick with until overwhelming evidence forces them to see things differently. Cam's talent was there from day one, but his accuracy in early career was definitely suspect, so that was a lot of people's first impression of him, and I'll include myself.  Kyle on the other hand came in and looked more impressive, especially relative to people's expectations, and beat those expectations by wide margins for a handful of games. So even though he's falling back to earth hard now, and Cam's completion percentage went up substantially once he was no longer in an offense that asked him to hold the ball until St Swibbons Day, I think it's human nature to consider your first impression of someone as the baseline and stick to it even if the evidence doesn't continue to match that impression later. 

This obviously isn't going to explain everyone not being consistent in their appraisal, but in my experience, expecting consistency from h sapiens is often a quick way to disapointment. We're a weird bunch of primates for sure. Speaking of fish, I'm not sure that dolphins haven't outwitted us. They are the only other species that has sex for pleasure, and you don't see any of them having to worry about jobs or whether their pension fund is gonna go broke. They just skate by scarfing down free fish at Sea World on the excuse they don't have thumbs. Well played dolphins, well played.

Sorry man, this is where I have to stop at. Cam completed 60% of his passes his rookie year in an offense where he was slinging it deep, and his first ever game was one of the best ever we’ve seen from a rookie, and he might have had the best rookie season ever. Kyle right now is at 61%, and outside of his first game, I’d say there hasn’t been a game that he’s played since that would lead one to believe he was better than Cam at any point. If Cams accuracy was in question to start, then honestly, you should have those same questions with Kyle with their completion numbers so close. If not, I have to question why, and I almost have to assume that there was something that lead you to believe Cam was going to have accuracy issues. He did struggle preseason, but then again, Kyle has struggled preseason as well. 

My question for you, as well as others who thought the same, is if you questioned Cams accuracy, then why don’t you have those same concerns for Kyle?

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Sorry man, this is where I have to stop at. Cam completed 60% of his passes his rookie year in an offense where he was slinging it deep, and his first ever game was one of the best ever we’ve seen from a rookie, and he might have had the best rookie season ever. Kyle right now is at 61%, and outside of his first game, I’d say there hasn’t been a game that he’s played since that would lead one to believe he was better than Cam at any point. If Cams accuracy was in question to start, then honestly, you should have those same questions with Kyle with their completion numbers so close. If not, I have to question why, and I almost have to assume that there was something that lead you to believe Cam was going to have accuracy issues. He did struggle preseason, but then again, Kyle has struggled preseason as well. 

Right but that's half the point, people's perceptions are sometimes skewed by first impressions. Cam was at 60% his rookie year and put up very impressive numbers, but he was the first pick overall in the draft and expectations were sky high. At that point 60% completion was considered slightly subpar, but more casual fans didn't have the context to understand he was playing in a system that looked for the home run all the time and sometimes did not even offer a checkdown option. So the perception of many was poor accuracy, and to be fair checkdown or no, he did sling his fair share high those first few years. 

Allen on the other hand, had rock bottom expectations when he came in, owing to his undrafted status and ho hum performance in preseason at best. When he actually seemed good enough to win, it created a super strong positive impression. Cam's completion percentage improved when the offensive system changed, and Allen's went in the crapper once teams got tape on him, but in both players cases, people's opinions are formed and they are resistant to changing them. These factors can lead people to be inconsistent in their assessment of players, expectations and trending. 

I also think Cam's behavior with the towel over his head in early seasons caused a lot of people to react negatively to him emotionally which lead them towards criticizing him rather than encouraging. I think if Allen were doing the same thing right now, a lot of folks who are preaching patience might be calling him a spoiled brat who can't handle the pressure of the NFL. I don't know for a fact, I just suspect.

There's also the issue of race, but since no one on the huddle has brought that up, I'll let that be. Mostly I'm just tossing out a possible other factor that could cause people to be inconsistent in their views of the two players beyond race. How much of it is race and how much is this other thing? *shrugs* Who knows? My premise is that human beings tend to be wildly inconsistent for all sorts of reasons. Some are objectionable, others are just goofy.

[firefox1234]

34 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right but that's half the point, people's perceptions are sometimes skewed by first impressions. Cam was at 60% his rookie year and put up very impressive numbers, but he was the first pick overall in the draft and expectations were sky high. At that point 60% completion was considered slightly subpar, but more casual fans didn't have the context to understand he was playing in a system that looked for the home run all the time and sometimes did not even offer a checkdown option. So the perception of many was poor accuracy, and to be fair checkdown or no, he did sling his fair share high those first few years. 

Allen on the other hand, had rock bottom expectations when he came in, owing to his undrafted status and ho hum performance in preseason at best. When he actually seemed good enough to win, it created a super strong positive impression. Cam's completion percentage improved when the offensive system changed, and Allen's went in the crapper once teams got tape on him, but in both players cases, people's opinions are formed and they are resistant to changing them. These factors can lead people to be inconsistent in their assessment of players, expectations and trending. 

I also think Cam's behavior with the towel over his head in early seasons caused a lot of people to react negatively to him emotionally which lead them towards criticizing him rather than encouraging. I think if Allen were doing the same thing right now, a lot of folks who are preaching patience might be calling him a spoiled brat who can't handle the pressure of the NFL. I don't know for a fact, I just suspect.

There's also the issue of race, but since no one on the huddle has brought that up, I'll let that be. Mostly I'm just tossing out a possible other factor that could cause people to be inconsistent in their views of the two players beyond race. How much of it is race and how much is this other thing? *shrugs* Who knows? My premise is that human beings tend to be wildly inconsistent for all sorts of reasons. Some are objectionable, others are just goofy.

I will be frank and say I was racial bias towards McCaffrey being a top NFL RB. Race wasn’t the sole factor but add my perception of him being undersized it also fed my other narrative. Fortunately I was wrong and I can say it has opened my eyes on my own biases and not to have them in the future or at least make me more critical in my criticisms. To be honest even with Cam, I wasn’t sold on black QBs(by the way I’m a black guy)and very much wanted Gabbert as he was the mold of QB I thought would help the team succeed. You don’t have to be a hard core racist to have these biases but to be willfully ignorant of them is a tragedy. 

[AggieLean]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Right but that's half the point, people's perceptions are sometimes skewed by first impressions. Cam was at 60% his rookie year and put up very impressive numbers, but he was the first pick overall in the draft and expectations were sky high. At that point 60% completion was considered slightly subpar, but more casual fans didn't have the context to understand he was playing in a system that looked for the home run all the time and sometimes did not even offer a checkdown option. So the perception of many was poor accuracy, and to be fair checkdown or no, he did sling his fair share high those first few years. 

Allen on the other hand, had rock bottom expectations when he came in, owing to his undrafted status and ho hum performance in preseason at best. When he actually seemed good enough to win, it created a super strong positive impression. Cam's completion percentage improved when the offensive system changed, and Allen's went in the crapper once teams got tape on him, but in both players cases, people's opinions are formed and they are resistant to changing them. These factors can lead people to be inconsistent in their assessment of players, expectations and trending. 

I also think Cam's behavior with the towel over his head in early seasons caused a lot of people to react negatively to him emotionally which lead them towards criticizing him rather than encouraging. I think if Allen were doing the same thing right now, a lot of folks who are preaching patience might be calling him a spoiled brat who can't handle the pressure of the NFL. I don't know for a fact, I just suspect.

There's also the issue of race, but since no one on the huddle has brought that up, I'll let that be. Mostly I'm just tossing out a possible other factor that could cause people to be inconsistent in their views of the two players beyond race. How much of it is race and how much is this other thing? *shrugs* Who knows? My premise is that human beings tend to be wildly inconsistent for all sorts of reasons. Some are objectionable, others are just goofy.

To the bold; if you’re going to point this out, then you need to be willing to point it out about Kyle as well. Their completion %’s are around the same, so either he’s slinging them too high or low to his receivers. 

As for expectations; whether they’re high or low for Kyle, accuracy is accuracy. Since Kyle went undrafted, are we saying that the expectations of him throwing an accurate ball isn’t there, or we expected Cam to be more accurate due to draft position?

I will agree that we’re highly inconsistent. We’re inconsistent, but when you’re proven wrong or called out on behaviors that are hypocritical, then you need to be able to accept that. I have no problems with admitting when I’m wrong. 

[App Panther]

On 11/18/2019 at 7:47 AM, firefox1234 said:

Why are you Allen homers acting like these people and posts like them don’t exist?

   On 11/4/2019 at 9:16 AM,  dave-o said: 

I will get poo'd but....    I deal with the public at my job all day...  The Panthers are a huge topic....  When Cam comes up in discussion a wide majority of folks say they are tired of him and his antics...  Showboating, the clothes, the general circus he brings to the table...  I admit I am one of those people...  I want him to be the best Panther ever but be more business like on the field...  Watch some of the top QB's warming up....  Its all business....  Cam runs around acting like an airplane....  Maybe I just expect more out of the face of a franchise....

This is our bloody MVP, #1 overall pick, and generational talent of a QB!
 

So once again I ask. Why are you being obtuse? Is it deliberate? @maddog1945 @stratocatter @Catsmiaow @Iron Saint @SBiii @bull123 @ickmule @dave-o

 

I'll even add you jolly folks @App Panther @Snake and @MVPccaffrey. Why are you obtuse?

What is the question for me? I don't understand. What are you trying to say. Are you having a stroke?