Kyle Allen Fan Club please show yourselves

[Oldmanrivera]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I did not see Cam as an accurate QB---thanks for following me.  This is not about race to me, so please do not try to drag everyone into that arena.

Cam's best days are not ahead of him.  I just do not see the risk of a new $35m contract being worth it.  Allen is cheaper, and allows us to fill some other needs while developing a young QB---

But I really think people get into trouble when they start trying to call others out and tell them what they think.  On a website.  About someone you don't know.  Cam has had some great moments and I know that he is the face of the franchise.  But if you think a running QB with historical accuracy issues is going to improve at age 32, I am not in the same mindset.

So you shouldnt take into account his improving in accuracy before injury last year?

You'd rather scrap it all and "hope" to develop, what has been to most people, an absolutely stellar prospect as a back up, as a franchise qb?

That's what comes off as bananas to people here. You'd be willing to give up on (list all the numerous accolades of cams) for a qb who has no business in discussion of developing beyond what he is skilled to do (back up).

It genuinely blows my mind, that paying the last year of a qb contract, to someone as talently established as Cam, is a horrible idea.

Jared Goff, with the money hes gotten, looks like a terrible payout, and is getting way more to play.

As well, where the hell is this idea that he is given more money after next year, unless he proves you wrong?

So you've already created this narrative that, even if he plays well next year, do you really want to pay him to play well for following years??

Such a bizarre mindset.

[SBiii]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

tl:dr version: People change. Have a little faith.

Hope you didn't strain a pec during your sustained self back-patting exercise there....

[Oldmanrivera]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

Hope you didn't strain a pec during your sustained self back-patting exercise there....

Wow. That's honestly all you have after what he said.

You cant genuinely disagree with his love message, so the only thing you'd be responding to is..... oh wait, you're not rascist.

[SBiii]

9 minutes ago, Oldmanrivera said:

Wow. That's honestly all you have after what he said.

Yup, that's it.

Don't worry, he won't see it....

....just as I won't see any more of your future posts

[Oldmanrivera]

5 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Yup, that's it.

Don't worry, he won't see it....has me muted....

....just as I'm going to do with you right now

That's disappointing, as I've seen posts that I've agreed with from you.

But if calling you out requires that as a response from you, the it genuinely is no loss to me.

I'll just have to be confused when I se others respond to the inane bullshit you regularly post.

[Verge]

9 hours ago, AggieLean said:

If this thread were about Cam Newton, posters like you and others probably don’t say anything and let ppl take their shots at Cam.

I've always supported and had Cam's back, so I am not sure what you mean.

[gmonjimbo]

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

 If drafted players take years to develop, how can anyone know that Allen is a bust after 8 games?  You cannot.  In fact, Allen is more of a project than Charles Johnson was, so he should be given time to develop--fans wanted him to fail so they could hold Cam up.  That is the bottom line.  I want him to succeed so we have options.  Root for the team, not the player, in my opinion. 

 

Not every fan that criticizes Kyle Allen does so because they want to prop up Cam. Kyle Allen isn't a bust because already as UDFA he was able to start and win 6 games. Most UDFA are cut before the regular season begins. However, it goes back to projection and ceiling. Kyle Allen is generating more turnovers and less touchdowns as the season goes on. He has no track record from college that he will continue to improve.

Therefore, the idea that the Panthers should wait for UDFA to improve is a mistake. They can continue to develop him, but serious competition needs to brought in this offseason at QB. 

[AggieLean]

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I did not see Cam as an accurate QB---thanks for following me.  This is not about race to me, so please do not try to drag everyone into that arena.

Cam's best days are not ahead of him.  I just do not see the risk of a new $35m contract being worth it.  Allen is cheaper, and allows us to fill some other needs while developing a young QB---

But I really think people get into trouble when they start trying to call others out and tell them what they think.  On a website.  About someone you don't know.  Cam has had some great moments and I know that he is the face of the franchise.  But if you think a running QB with historical accuracy issues is going to improve at age 32, I am not in the same mindset.

Historical accuracy issues? Kyle Allen’s completion % is around 61% in an offense that’s tailored to get the ball to CMC quickly, while in tbat same offense, Cams was around 67%. Before the slight change in philosophy, our offense was tailored for Cam to get huge chunks of yards throwing deep, and even with that, at 59%, he was still around Kyles current %. Something isn’t adding up on your end, bud. If you did not see Cam as an accurate QB, how on earth do you see Kyle as one?

As far as race, I never said it was about that. That’s all you, but now after going through all that, it does make me wonder. You’re over here trying to lecture folks about jumping on Kyle, when you did the exact same thing to Cam. Seems hypocritical to me.

[uncfan888]

6 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

That's disappointing, as I've seen posts that I've agreed with from you.

But if calling you out requires that as a response from you, the it genuinely is no loss to me.

I'll just have to be confused when I se others respond to the inane bullshit you regularly post.

That dude is putting everyone on ignore cuz everything he says needs to be ignored. But thankfully if he keeps throwing around racist terms like he did yesterday, he won't be around much longer

[Saca312]

16 hours ago, MHS831 said:

In other words, if people want Kyle Allen to develop into a good NFL QB, who the hell are you to tell them they are wrong?  Players take time to develop.  Why is this hard for you?

Simple.

We have an MVP caliber QB whose only limitation this year has been his planting foot. His velocity has been elite and top tier indicating little to no shoulder issues - literally just a planting problem. Again, as I've already tried to warn this board about proclaiming Allen as franchise tier, I'll likely be right about Cam's injury simply existing in his foot, not shoulder, as of now.

So, given that this current team is built around a win-now scenario, not a develop QB one, everyone criticizing Kyle Allen has every right to, given this team isn't one that can sustain a developmental prospect.

[raz]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Simple.

We have an MVP caliber QB whose only limitation this year has been his planting foot. His velocity has been elite and top tier indicating little to no shoulder issues - literally just a planting problem. Again, as I've already tried to warn this board about proclaiming Allen as franchise tier, I'll likely be right about Cam's injury simply existing in his foot, not shoulder, as of now.

So, given that this current team is built around a win-now scenario, not a develop QB one, everyone criticizing Kyle Allen has every right to, given this team isn't one that can sustain a developmental prospect.

you think the foot is the only issue, or more likely hope it is.   nobody knows about the shoulder.   what if tua falls to us, or one of the other real good qb prospects.   

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

weird that he never showed up to talk about this 

Also weird how his first order of business wasn't to discuss yet another embarrassing loss or any of the turnovers but to remind everyone with as many words as possible that Cam Newton isn't returning.

[AggieLean]

“Just give Kyle a chance to develop guys. Don’t be hard on the young guy. He’s doing the best he can, and he’s an accurate QB! (even though his % numbers are right around a young Cam Newton’s, who’s been described as a running QB that is “historically inaccurate”)”

Meanwhile, let’s rewind the clock a bit to 2011, 2012, and 2013. “Let’s trade Cam! He’s not going to develop into an accurate QB, and those that are bashing him, go right ahead!”

Now, since it was brought up. Im really wondering why Kyle doesn’t get the same inaccurate label that Cam Newton got years ago? Seems like someone was going by stereotypes, and had biases already towards Cam. It could be that, or, he just didn’t like Cam. Maybe it was his personality, I don’t know. But, the sudden turn is quite fascinating 

[firefox1234]

9 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

“Just give Kyle a chance to develop guys. Don’t be hard on the young guy. He’s doing the best he can, and he’s an accurate QB! (even though his % numbers are right around a young Cam Newton’s, who’s been described as a running QB that is “historically inaccurate”)”

Meanwhile, let’s rewind the clock a bit to 2011, 2012, and 2013. “Let’s trade Cam! He’s not going to develop into an accurate QB, and those that are bashing him, go right ahead!”

Now, since it was brought up. Im really wondering why Kyle doesn’t get the same inaccurate label that Cam Newton got years ago? Seems like someone was going by stereotypes, and had biases already towards Cam. It could be that, or, he just didn’t like Cam. Maybe it was his personality, I don’t know. But, the sudden turn is quite fascinating 

People are just made the huddle has become more egalitarian. No QBs are safe here white or black.