Kyle Allen Fan Club please show yourselves

[therealmjl]

42 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

You were wanting to trade and get rid of Cam after his first few years. Many people had the same reservations towards Cam after his first few years, yet you joined in the bashing party. You don’t want Kyle to go through it, though 

Preach.

 

kind of funny he is jumping from thread to thread spewing the same slanted nonsense.

[therealmjl]

54 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Those willing to bash Allen because he had a bad game (basically determining that he is a bust or will never be a starter)---

What did you say about Josh Norman after 8 games?

What did you say about James Bradberry after 8 games?

Do you know how well Ryan Kalil did at G during his rookie year?

Did you bash Haynes and Vernon Butler?  What about Evan Mathis?  Greg hardy?  Charles Johnson?  Look at their performances during their first few seasons---they were not good.

Steve Smith had 10 catches his rookie season. 

In other words, if people want Kyle Allen to develop into a good NFL QB, who the hell are you to tell them they are wrong?  Players take time to develop.  Why is this hard for you?

and yet here you are in 13 trying to justify moving on from cam newton lololol

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Preach.

 

kind of funny he is jumping from thread to thread spewing the same slanted nonsense.

  SSDD

[firefox1234]

32 minutes ago, 332nd said:

I agree. I imagine most of it will stop when he's played during a come from behind win, then leads a game winning drive, beats a team with a winning record, etc... etc... up to & including a MVP worthy season.

And even if he does all of that, there will still likely be people who pick apart every bad game he has.

We are obviously a fanbase with high expectations.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Today's NFL throws young guys into the mix without a supporting cast and then they blame the QB.  There are more of these than there are success stories

Kyle Allen is not being thrown into the mix without a supporting cast.

[Toomers]

44 minutes ago, mjligon said:

and yet here you are in 13 trying to justify moving on from cam newton lololol

[Basbear]

Im a Kyle fan.

He had an awful game, red zone turnovers are the worst...... on either red zone too. Dam these hurt.

Buuut hold on before the hating starts, Im a Cam fan too. You see Im a panthers fan, which is becoming a rare species with all this politic BS being shoved around. 

[gmonjimbo]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

What did you say about Josh Norman after 8 games?

What did you say about James Bradberry after 8 games?

Do you know how well Ryan Kalil did at G during his rookie year?

Did you bash Haynes and Vernon Butler?  What about Evan Mathis?  Greg hardy?  Charles Johnson?  Look at their performances during their first few seasons---they were not good.

Steve Smith had 10 catches his rookie season. 

In other words, if people want Kyle Allen to develop into a good NFL QB, who the hell are you to tell them they are wrong?  Players take time to develop.  Why is this hard for you?

You are talking about players that were taken within the first 4 rounds for the most part. With draft position comes leniency and patience in terms of giving a player time to develop. Kyle was a UDFA.  His margin for error is low. I'm not saying the Panthers have to cut him at the end of the year but if he continues to play like this, they should definitely look elsewhere at QB or bring in legitimate competition. 

[Iron Saint]

10 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

Why are you Allen homers acting like these people and posts like them don’t exist?

   On 11/4/2019 at 9:16 AM,  dave-o said: 

I will get poo'd but....    I deal with the public at my job all day...  The Panthers are a huge topic....  When Cam comes up in discussion a wide majority of folks say they are tired of him and his antics...  Showboating, the clothes, the general circus he brings to the table...  I admit I am one of those people...  I want him to be the best Panther ever but be more business like on the field...  Watch some of the top QB's warming up....  Its all business....  Cam runs around acting like an airplane....  Maybe I just expect more out of the face of a franchise....

This is our bloody MVP, #1 overall pick, and generational talent of a QB!

So once again I ask. Why are you being obtuse? Is it deliberate? @maddog1945 @stratocatter @Catsmiaow @Iron Saint @SBiii @bull123 @ickmule @dave-o

I'll even add you jolly folks @App Panther @Snake and @MVPccaffrey. Why are you obtuse?

Now that’s out the way, the fact that you called me an “Allen homer” for pieing a post while you simultaneously typed out my username to tag me in this asinine post is hilariously ignorant.

I’m not an Allen fan. I’m not a Newton fan. I’m a Saints fan. And as an outsider to the Panthers organization, the “antics” mentioned above: the showboating, the wardrobe choices, the general circus, are all things Panthers fans put up with when everything’s hunky dory and the team is winning.

However, when the team is struggling, the fans will always look for the root of the misfortunes, whether they are actually affecting the team or only imagined to be. When your team is losing and its leader’s focus seems to be on everything but football, it’s easy to place the blame.

We had a similar situation like this just last weekend. Sean Payton pops the question to his girlfriend on Friday night and what was allegedly a birthday party turns into an engagement party.

Fast forward two days later, we get our asses handed to us at home by the Falcons coming off the bye week. During the beatdown, they even show her sitting in the suite on the Superdome video boards with the caption, “The Future Mrs. Skylene Payton,” all the while the Falcons are kicking the **** out of us on the field. Some Saints fans obviously were pissed about it naturally because they felt his head wasn’t into the preparation of facing a 1-7 team and we got thumped as a result.

https://saintsreport.com/threads/coach-payton-gets-engaged.418424/ (page 4 is when the posts after the game start)

https://saintsreport.com/threads/csp-engagement.418803/#post-7801481

10 hours ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

But you can't put two QB's on the field at the same time.

Sean Payton: “Hold my beer...”

 

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, AggieLean said:

You were wanting to trade and get rid of Cam after his first few years. Many people had the same reservations towards Cam after his first few years, yet you joined in the bashing party. You don’t want Kyle to go through it, though 

I did not see Cam as an accurate QB---thanks for following me.  This is not about race to me, so please do not try to drag everyone into that arena.

Cam's best days are not ahead of him.  I just do not see the risk of a new $35m contract being worth it.  Allen is cheaper, and allows us to fill some other needs while developing a young QB---

But I really think people get into trouble when they start trying to call others out and tell them what they think.  On a website.  About someone you don't know.  Cam has had some great moments and I know that he is the face of the franchise.  But if you think a running QB with historical accuracy issues is going to improve at age 32, I am not in the same mindset.

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, gmonjimbo said:

You are talking about players that were taken within the first 4 rounds for the most part. With draft position comes leniency and patience in terms of giving a player time to develop. Kyle was a UDFA.  His margin for error is low. I'm not saying the Panthers have to cut him at the end of the year but if he continues to play like this, they should definitely look elsewhere at QB or bring in legitimate competition. 

I made this statement in another thread---yes, draft picks get more time to develop than those who were not.  But the reason is business, not talent development.  Due to contracts, teams stay with drafted players longer-most Undrafted free agents do not ink 4-year deals.  Secondly, the GM looks bad if he cuts drafted players.  So the time to prove it is shorter for undrafted free agents vs. players on contract.  However, for comparison's sake, they still did not develop in the same window of time fans are using to label Allen a bust.  If drafted players take years to develop, how can anyone know that Allen is a bust after 8 games?  You cannot.  In fact, Allen is more of a project than Charles Johnson was, so he should be given time to develop--fans wanted him to fail so they could hold Cam up.  That is the bottom line.  I want him to succeed so we have options.  Root for the team, not the player, in my opinion. 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

On 11/17/2019 at 4:15 PM, Wolfpredator said:

I get poo'ed every single time I mention racist's as if that isn't a big reason this has happened.  Sorry that I tell it like it is.  Not sure why its so hard to believe the South East being full of racist's...it has been, it is and will probably always will be cause "Daddy tauught meee"

My family has been rednecks from Waxhaw since before this country was a thing. I have ancestors that fought in the Revolution. I also have ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. To the best of my knowledge our family was never prosperous enough to own slaves but I cannot say for certain we never did. I never met my great grandfather, but to hear my father tell it he was a farmer and a store owner who never had a problem enforcing Jim Crow laws in his store or tossing out the N word without a second thought. He was a man of his times. My grandfather was not a man to speak openly against injustice, but my father says whenever his friends invited him to Klan meetings, he always had an excuse not to go, and when left to his own devices treated those of other races no different than anyone else.

My father made sure I had friends of other races at an early age, so I would not grow up thinking of them as "different". He also made sure I knew about the Civil Rights struggle and what it meant.  When I was 12, he asked me to memorize the last part of Dr. King's "I have a Dream" speech for his birthday.  When I brought home a gf of a different race from college, my parents did not so much as blink before welcoming her into our home. It did not occur to me to check with them first or let them know my new girlfriend wasn't white, because I knew they wouldn't care. Today our family is interracial, I have mixed race cousins and this bothers nobody at family gatherings. Oh sure, my grandmother said she didn't know if she could love a mixed race baby the same. I can tell you by her actions that that lasted maybe up to the moment she held her great granddaughter for the first time, then her upbringing lost out to the power of love, and the contest wasn't close.

This part of the country has it's long sad terrible history with racism, no reasonable person will deny that. But my family is living proof that people can change over time. None of us is bound by the past. Every generation gets to choose whether it will embrace what it has been taught, or reject it. People change over time, and while it is true the change is not always for the better, I have faith that things will work themselves out for the better as time goes on. Mainly for two reasons:

1. Love is more powerful than hate, and always has been. Hate is more noticeable, but it makes people weaker, not stronger, and so it always loses in the end.

2. At a genetic level, interbreeding makes us stronger. Anyone with more than a passing knowledge of genetics can tell you this. If there's one thing h sapiens loves to do, its have sex, and all my mixed race cousins are way better looking than I am. Give it another couple hundred years and there won't really be different races is my guess.

tl:dr version: People change. Have a little faith.

[GoPanthers123]

After rewatching highlights, when Allen throws off balance and on the run it is a low velocity throw and easy pickings.   He doesn’t have the experience to get away with half assed throws, not yet.

[Oldmanrivera]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

My family has been rednecks from Waxhaw since before this country was a thing. I have ancestors that fought in the Revolution. I also have ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. To the best of my knowledge our family was never prosperous enough to own slaves but I cannot say for certain we never did. I never met my great grandfather, but to hear my father tell it he was a farmer and a store owner who never had a problem enforcing Jim Crow laws in his store or tossing out the N word without a second thought. He was a man of his times. My grandfather was not a man to speak openly against injustice, but my father says whenever his friends invited him to Klan meetings, he always had an excuse not to go, and when left to his own devices treated those of other races no different than anyone else.

My father made sure I had friends of other races at an early age, so I would not grow up thinking of them as "different". He also made sure I knew about the Civil Rights struggle and what it meant.  When I was 12, he asked me to memorize the last part of Dr. King's "I have a Dream" speech for his birthday.  When I brought home a gf of a different race from college, my parents did not so much as blink before welcoming her into our home. It did not occur to me to check with them first or let them know my new girlfriend wasn't white, because I knew they wouldn't care. Today our family is interracial, I have mixed race cousins and this bothers nobody at family gatherings. Oh sure, my grandmother said she didn't know if she could love a mixed race baby the same. I can tell you by her actions that that lasted maybe up to the moment she held her great granddaughter for the first time, then her upbringing lost out to the power of love, and the contest wasn't close.

This part of the country has it's long sad terrible history with racism, no reasonable person will deny that. But my family is living proof that people can change over time. None of us is bound by the past. Every generation gets to choose whether it will embrace what it has been taught, or reject it. People change over time, and while it is true the change is not always for the better, I have faith that things will work themselves out for the better as time goes on. Mainly for two reasons:

1. Love is more powerful than hate, and always has been. Hate is more noticeable, but it makes people weaker, not stronger, and so it always loses in the end.

2. At a genetic level, interbreeding makes us stronger. Anyone with more than a passing knowledge of genetics can tell you this. If there's one thing h sapiens loves to do, its have sex, and all my mixed race cousins are way better looking than I am. Give it another couple hundred years and there won't really be different races is my guess.

tl:dr version: People change. Have a little faith.

Yo, respek

And for what it's worth, I'd never think your bad takes are race related anyway.