Kyle Allen Fan Club please show yourselves

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, Verge said:

He is a backup meant to be plugged in for 1-3 games, not a long term answer. QBs making the same mistakes seems to be a trend in Carolina, and it keeps killing us every time.

I was hoping he could be a long term answer. Would have been ideal at his salary. Such is life. 

[TheRed]

17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

He still threw for over 300 yards, but the interceptions were definite killers. 

Well uh yeah, those 4 turnovers are directly why 325 yards equated to a total of 3 points on the scoreboard.

But yay team we threw for 300 yards at least.

Moral victories are fun!

[Verge]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I was hoping he could be a long term answer. Would have been ideal at his salary. Such is life. 

I think the majority of us were, hence why we aren't making a thread gloating about how bad out team is lol

[TheRed]

10 minutes ago, Verge said:

I think the majority of us were, hence why we aren't making a thread gloating about how bad out team is lol

Honest discussion about your team playing badly is "gloating" now.

[jtm]

Most fans don’t care who is playing qb and just want the Panthers to win. Allen gave fans hope and we haven’t had hope in a while given Cams injuries. 
 

I don’t understand the finger pointing but hey this is the Internet. 
 

[Verge]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Honest discussion about your team playing badly is "gloating" now.

"I know you guys are lurking around here, Don’t be afraid to tell everyone how Kyle is the greatest thing since the wheel and that he’s so much better than Cam and that it’s not his fault we lost to the f’ing Cons again.."

Ahh yes, honest discussion about our team playing badly.

[Verge]

"People calling Cam bad and making threads attacking him, and calling out people who support him when he sucks, must be blatant racism and being a Cam hater"

"People calling Kyle bad and making threads attacking him, and calling out people who support him when he sucks, just some honest discussion about your team playing badly."

You are so transparent with your intentions that it is laughable at this point. 

[Call Me James]

33 minutes ago, Verge said:

"People calling Cam bad and making threads attacking him, and calling out people who support him when he sucks, must be blatant racism and being a Cam hater"

"People calling Kyle bad and making threads attacking him, and calling out people who support him when he sucks, just some honest discussion about your team playing badly."

You are so transparent with your intentions that it is laughable at this point. 

When cam is bad it's because he cares about how he dresses. 

When Kyle Allen is bad he just needs some more time and we should focus on why Ron, Norv, the o line, Luke, the defense, the halftime show and the color guard let us down. 

Good morning. It's amazing you decided to be disingenuous before having your coffee. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, Verge said:

This is about gloating that Kyle Allen had a bad game and OP was right, he is happy the Panthers sucked, happy Kyle Allen through those picks, and happy he gets to throw it in the face of anyone who showed support of Kyle Allen and thought he could be something. It's pretty transparent as to what OP's intentions were.

And people are gloating specifically because

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

This is about pointing out that Kyle Allen has only had 1 good game this season.  Total.  And pushing back against people that specifically stated Kyle Allen was better than a healthy Cam.  Its about pushing back against people that used his early stat lines to say "we should trade Cam, we have our future QB in Kyle Allen", but are now saying that stat lines are meaningless due to a small sample size.  Its about pushing back against the horrible hot takes of a "QB Controversy".  Its about pushing back against the mob mentality that tried to squash *anyone* offering criticism at all about Kyle Allen, under the guise of "He WiLl GeT bEtTeR".  He isn't.

People stating Kyle Allen > Healthy Cam Newton, etc.  Having double standards in their support of Kyle Allen.  They all created an atmosphere where people looked at Kyle Allen more critically than we should.

Am I happy we lost?  No.  Do I think Kyle Allen is a good back up?  Yes.  

But has these very forums caused me to look at, speak up about Kyle Allen's deficiencies more than I would have preferred?  Yep.

[cmichd]

I am a Kyle fan.  How many times has Cam thrown 4 interceptions.   Last year in the Tampa Bay game on 12/2/18 I guess it was okay cause he was hurting.  Cam even had a 4 interception game in his first year against Detroit on 11/20/11.  I guess it is okay cause he was a rookie and he had to grown into the game, but you can't cut Kyle the same slack you gave Cam cause he wasn't a Number 1 draft pick.  Surprisingly Cam has had 11 3 interception games and 11 2 inceptions games during his career.  So we can't allow Kyle the same growing pains.  I didn't say Kyle was better than Cam but I see where he has better throwing skills than Cam at the same age.  Hell Cam can't throw a 5 yard pass for heck.     https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-are-the-most-int-in-a-game-by-cam-newton    

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Well uh yeah, those 4 turnovers are directly why 325 yards equated to a total of 3 points on the scoreboard.

But yay team we threw for 300 yards at least.

Moral victories are fun!

Sheesh, what else can someone say? Hang Kyle in effigy? Burn down his house? Pack it in and forfeit the rest of the games this season?

Cam isn't coming back this season and couldn't under any circumstances because of IR rules except for maybe game 16.

Grier come in? Even in the midst of that, they still had Grier sitting on the bench in a coat and toboggan. That guy isn't just not ready to go in, he's not even being encouraged to act like he's ready to go in.

Young QB has a lousy, rotten, embarrassing game. They have them, it's just one of those things. 

There was no moral victory in that ass-whooping we just took. You're making one for yourself in the loss, though, aren't you?

[Carolina Cajun]

I support Allen and have all year.  I've also said all year that he was andy dalton, and lets not forget that Dalton once had a Passer Rating against the browns of 2...not a typo.  Allen is good for what he is, essentially a rookie learning, but he hasn't shown to be much more and at this point he's beginning to regress which is not a good thing.

[cmichd]

19 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

And people are gloating specifically because

People stating Kyle Allen > Healthy Cam Newton, etc.  Having double standards in their support of Kyle Allen.  They all created an atmosphere where people looked at Kyle Allen more critically than we should.

Am I happy we lost?  No.  Do I think Kyle Allen is a good back up?  Yes.  

But has these very forums caused me to look at, speak up about Kyle Allen's deficiencies more than I would have preferred?  Yep.

Kyle healthy is a better option for us than a unhealthy Cam.  Just saying.  Should we trade Cam.  Yes we should.  Get something for him instead of just letting him go and getting a supplemental draft pick cause he left through FA.  Can we go with Kyle till we can get a 1st round pick to get a Franchise QB.  Yes he is and he will get better as the game slows down for him as it did with Cam.  Remember did you cut Cam slack when he had the 4 inception game against Detroit in 2011, or last year when he repeated it against Tampa Bay before we knew he was hurt.  We were suppose to have our LT in Little but we passed on the Best LT in the draft to take Burns.  Explain how that work for us yesterday as little got beat over and over and over.  I know of at least 2 sack and 4 hurries Little had yesterday.  I wonder if Cam would have been as effective as Kyle was with that poor OL play.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, cmichd said:

Kyle healthy is a better option for us than a unhealthy Cam. 

Sure.  People didn't really debate that.  People were constantly saying on these forums that (before he was placed on IR) if Cam Newton returned this season and was 100% healthy..he should still be benched for that "hot hand" Allen.  This caused people to look at Allen much more critically to point out that while yes..we were initially winning.  Allen wasn't actually playing that well.  We then had selective stats thrown our way, were poo'ed into oblivion, called Cam Nut Huggers, etc.  Now that the very same stats don't support Allen the narrative is "the sample size is too small".

The Kyle Allen > healthy Cam Newton agenda being pushed here was a major building block that lead to threads such as this.

This isn't about a single 4 INT game.  Allen's entire season has not been good.  He has not been improving.  He has been steadily getting worse.