Myles Garrett suspended indefinitely

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

When I look at the video, and I've looked at it at least a handful of times now, I do not see Rudolph engaging in anything other than garden variety stuff you see in all sorts of NFL altercations where players get into it with each other. His actions do not strike me as extreme or unprovoked. He is hit after throwing the ball, dragged to the ground when the play is clearly over, a player twice his size refuses to get off him, and he struggles to defend/free himself. That's what I see.

Then I watch Garret swing a football helmet at another player's head like a weapon and Pouncey, after understandably defending his qb, indefensibly kicking another player who is already pinned to the ground. I neither like nor dislike any of the players involved, and I do not favor either team. To me that's what I see when I watch the video several times and that's why the punishments doled out so far make sense to me.

Watch it some more. Rudolph's hand is in/on the facemask of Garret while they are on the ground.

[Devil Doc]

Ok, what about DeCastro, he threw Garrett to the ground and was on top of him, yes he was trying to de-escalate, when looking at previous fights, that is still atleast a fine. 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Norman’s blow was the worst I have seen in Carolina.  Worse than Cam’s Denver shots. 

Mason’s was worse than both.   As far as the act itself.  He was luckily the result wasn’t that bad.  That doesn’t take away from the act though.  

No way Pouncey gets year for throwing blows at a dude with a helmet on.  I mean there is literally years and years of years of dudes punching and kicking dudes in the pros and college with helmets on.

 

So kicking a defenseless person on the ground is cool. No harm could come from that. Some of you people have a warped since of violence. 

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean there is literally years and years of years of dudes punching and kicking dudes in the pros and college with helmets on.

 

Guys that are fighting back. Garrett was already subdued, and Pouncey comes over pounding on him while he's on the ground.

[GoPanthers123]

He went psycho on national tv.  He is lucky to be free now.

[Bronn]

Just now, Devil Doc said:

Ok, what about DeCastro, he threw Garrett to the ground and was on top of him, yes he was trying to de-escalate, when looking at previous fights, that is still atleast a fine. 

He throws no blows. He was initially just a separator, and then took Garrett down when he saw it escalating. If nothing else, DeCastro should actually be applauded.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

And a kick to the head of Garrett while being held down could have too. What's new. Not to mention it was all over but Rudolph came at Garrett and tried to rip his helmet off again when his boys were holding Garrett. 

I mean you could technically fall out of bed and break your neck and die.  SO I mean it could have....

Helmet makes a difference.   Players take shot to the head comparable to the kick all game long.  Doesn’t make it right.  He deserves to be suspended for it.  But at least he is taking a shot and to an area he is equipped to deal with impact....Mason wasn’t. Hence the huge difference. 

If OBJ took the same shot at Norman when he had his helmet off it is a totally different incident.  Wouldn’t compare to the Norman bad the helmet on for 

[Snake]

Just now, Devil Doc said:

Ok, what about DeCastro, he threw Garrett to the ground and was on top of him, yes he was trying to de-escalate, when looking at previous fights, that is still atleast a fine. 

He held him there to allow him to get kicked in the head. It just seems like a gang beating to me. If other players were not involved it would have simply been a player removing a helmet. 

[mav1234]

 

2 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Watch it some more. Rudolph's hand is in/on the facemask of Garret while they are on the ground.

that is literally stuff that happens every game and at most is a penalty.  and Rudolph releases before he pulls his helmet off.  Garrett then lunges back at him, rips his helmet off, etc.  That is where poo gets real bad.

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

Guys that are fighting back. Garrett was already subdued, and Pouncey comes over pounding on him while he's on the ground.

So I don’t know these players by name. Is this before or after someone’s helmet was ripped off and used to batter them? 

[aGDevil2k]

30 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

A player lacking a helmet DOES matter in terms of punishment for actions you take against him.  I guarantee that if Garrett had swung his own helmet at a dude with a helmet on, it would have been viewed differently.  Just like knocking a helmetless player to the ground is different from knocking a player down with a helmet on. In all cases, these are bad, but they are worse because the player has no helmet on.

Previous player safety violations make a big difference in suspensions for borderline infractions.  Rudolph's actions were borderline.

There was nothing borderline about using a helmet as a weapon.

Nor was there anything borderline about punching/stomping on a player on the ground.

Nor was there in knocking down a defenseless, helmetless player away from the action.

 

If a player is shoved in the back what does a helmet do to help them?  I guess whiplash from hitting the ground?  I mean soccer players get shoved in the back countless times without helmets.   I mean Jesus no one is saying that hitting a player with a helmet on his helmet is just as dangerous as hitting someone in the head.  

At no point did I say previous player violations matter. He did not mention that in his question to me.  

You are taking commentary and running with it versus sticking to what I said.  

 

End of story: NFL is coming down hard on all involved.  Harder than they normally respond.  And the QB is not without blame. 

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Guys that are fighting back. Garrett was already subdued, and Pouncey comes over pounding on him while he's on the ground.

Which is why Pouncey gets a 3 game suspension, which is a long time.  CRA was referring to what Rudolph was doing fyi

[Bronn]

Just now, mav1234 said:

 

that is literally stuff that happens every game and at most is a penalty.  and Rudolph releases before he pulls his helmet off.  Garrett then lunges back at him, rips his helmet off, etc.  That is where poo gets real bad.

and Rudolph initiated the whole thing by having whatever fit he was having that caused him to put his hand in Garrett's facemask

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, Snake said:

A fine isn't a punishment. You get fines for impropriety tackling people in the NFL. 

Again, what do you want him suspended for? And name player in the last 25 years that got a suspension for that. 

There is precedence for all the suspensions given.  There isn’t one for handing one to Mason