IF we do fire Rivera, this definitely seems the year to do it.

[GoPanthers123]

Some of those teams are a clusterfug, we are not.  It seems we are a couple of key pieces short of being a really good team.   We lost the best player on the team, Cam, and look competitive (except against SF).  

Depends on Tepper.

[arbnranger]

8 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Patience kohai.

One or two teams will self destruct towards the end of the season and miss the playoffs and this will probably add a couple names to the list. Every year coaches who were expected to make the playoffs but failed are several of the fired, but sometimes that isn't apparent til right at the end of the season.

Pie for Kohai 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, SBiii said:

Really?

No chance Gase is coach of Jets going into next year - zero %.

 

[Khyber53]

Ron and Hurney will be here next year.

[1of10Charnatives]

 

6 hours ago, JoePanther said:

Ron is a great coach. All this talk about firing him is silly. I would extend Ron and give him a better QB. If Cam gave us more seasons similar to his MVP season (or close), Ron would have given us a SB already. Coaches ride the forms of their best QB. When you take out the cheating Pats coach, Ron is right there with the best of them: Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh(rode Flacco's insane year to a SB), Pete Carol (rode 2 crazy years of the LOB). 

If wishes were fishes the world would be a @#$&ing ocean. All of the evidence points to Ron being average by NFL standards, no more, no less. Try this for a mental exercise:

Try to stop thinking of Ron and our team and it’s history specifically and imagine a blank slate, a team that has just hired a new HC. Keep in mind that all teams must deal with injuries and their effects tend to wash out as even over time. Now if I could tell you the following, think about how you might characterize the coach I’m describing:

His team’s very first draft pick will prove to be a once in a generation athlete unlike anything the NFL has seen before. This player will prove capable of performing at an MVP level within a few years. He plays the most crucial position upon which a team’s success depends.

The very next year his team’s first draft pick will be a player at the central position on the other side of the ball who will also prove to be a generational talent with otherworldly leadership and play diagnosis abilities.

The HC in question will have these two unquestioned talents around which to build his team from the beginning. However 9 years later his team’s will have gone to the playoffs a third of the time which is statistically average. They will have played in the SB once and lost a game they were heavily favored to win. Lack of adjustment to oline mismatches over the course of that game will prove a factor in the loss, something blatantly obvious to fans by the game’s 2nd quarter but unreacted to by the coaching staff which proves the decisive factor between victory and defeat. Over 9 years the team will not otherwise mount a meaningful playoff run.

How would you describe the coach of this team as anything more than average?

[rhyslloyd]

There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.

[SBiii]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Oh I know all about that

Chris Johnson just might be as dumb as MJ, definitely as inept on the ownership front....

....fans up there are ripsh*t over it and are organizing a revolt --- Johnson will back down and can the guy --- either that or the Jets will be playing in an empty stadium.

This banner was flown last week and these guys are just getting warmed up:

[mc52beast]

10 hours ago, JoePanther said:

Ron is a great coach. All this talk about firing him is silly. I would extend Ron and give him a better QB. If Cam gave us more seasons similar to his MVP season (or close), Ron would have given us a SB already. Coaches ride the forms of their best QB. When you take out the cheating Pats coach, Ron is right there with the best of them: Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh(rode Flacco's insane year to a SB), Pete Carol (rode 2 crazy years of the LOB). 

Ron is a great players coach, players love him and have never quit on him. But just looking at him as a HC he’s not great. 
 

He’s supposedly a defensive mastermind but his defense gets gashed every week. The only time he ever gets aggressive is when his job is in jeopardy. He stuck with Shula until he had no choice but to fire him which cost Cam years in terms of progressing as a qb. 
 

Im not on the Fire Ron Train just yet but if we don’t see a huge improvement over the next seven games it’s time for him to go

[NJPanthers12]

10 hours ago, JoePanther said:

Ron is a great coach. All this talk about firing him is silly. I would extend Ron and give him a better QB. If Cam gave us more seasons similar to his MVP season (or close), Ron would have given us a SB already. Coaches ride the forms of their best QB. When you take out the cheating Pats coach, Ron is right there with the best of them: Mike Tomlin, Jim Harbaugh(rode Flacco's insane year to a SB), Pete Carol (rode 2 crazy years of the LOB). 

Lol go away Stephanie 

if only cam could consistently put up one of the greates single seasons in WB history without a number 1 receiver on the roster and a terrible offensive line then Rivera would have a super bowl by now 

[stratocatter]

I have thought for a long time that when Cam goes it would be the time to make the change throughout the organization because it always comes, it is just a good time.

I know that probably 80% minimum here want Rivera gone, and this is an unpopular position. But I have seen some things the last couple of years that make me curious to see how he would do without Cam.

I think the head coach job is more about being a manager. I think Rivera does that well and is respected by his players. That is a really underestimated commodity until you don't have it any more. I don't know who could come in but coaches are a lot like QBs, they get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when they are not and when you have a good one you better think very carefully before showing them the door.

I've been wrong before plenty of times. I am not gonna pitch a fit if they clean house, it is just a bunch of millionaires playing a game. Just saying.

[Sgt Schultz]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I see one way.

Basically the same way he's already kept his job for this long...

 

"Yes sir, Mr. Jones, sir.  Anything you say, sir.  You sure are a football genius, Mr. Jones.  I hope that one day, if I work really hard, I could be a fourth as smart as you are, sir.  Are you ready for more coffee, sir?"

Garrett can recite that faster than any potential coaching candidate.  Plus, he knows how ole Jerrah likes his coffee, and does not need to ask about cream or sugar.

[Shotgun]

Last year seemed like a good year too.

[SBiii]

3 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Ron is a great players coach, players love him and have never quit on him. But just looking at him as a HC he’s not great. 
 

He’s supposedly a defensive mastermind but his defense gets gashed every week. The only time he ever gets aggressive is when his job is in jeopardy. He stuck with Shula until he had no choice but to fire him which cost Cam years in terms of progressing as a qb. 
 

Im not on the Fire Ron Train just yet but if we don’t see a huge improvement over the next seven games it’s time for him to go

A series of good points you make here.

Players don't quit > Never aggressive until job on line > Stuck w/ Shula waaaaay too long > Defense does get gashed a lot...

[JARROD]

16 hours ago, Forty-Eight said:

Gase, Shurmur, Kitchens and Patricia all suck. 
 

Teams I see firing their HC: 

Carolina, Jacksonville, New York, Atlanta. 
 

Washington will be looking for a HC.

Patricia has the Lions.  They suck no matter who coaches. Gase in all fairness has the Jets,..Kitchens is in hell too.

  Those 2 places along with Cleveland and Cincinnati have some kind of curse stronger than any Bambino curse ever was.

Shurmur doesn’t suck— he’s done great considering the pressure to play a quarterback that wasn’t really ready yet after one that was done a few seasons ago, and no receivers to help etc. 

i would still take Shurmur in a heartbeat. If he were fired I’m in.