Nick Wright: If Panthers move on from Cam, they’ll be drafting a QB in first round of 2021 draft

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

Did it though?

It didn't.  It hasn't looked "good" with exception of a handful of games since the initial injury.  He has been playing through pain for 2 seasons now.  I fear his shoulder will never last a full season ever again.  I am betting Tepper thinks the same thing.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thefuzz said:

This narrative needs to die.  His arm hasn't been the "same" in a VERY long time.

Can he hit the occasional deep ball to Curtis in July with no wear and tear on his arm?  Sure.  Can he do it 11 game into the season, after practicing fully every week, and after the cumulative effects of having him knocked around for 10 games and throwing 30+ times?

That's the question.  You simply cannot pay a QB with Cam's (what used to be) skillset, just can't, until you can assure that he is 100% healthy moving forward, and can show that he can maintain that health.

And that's a really tough question.

"He's healthy right now." Cool. Do we know if he'll still be healthy around Week 12 after playing all the games, curling several hundred passes taking all the hits, etc. And do we know that nothing else is going to get hurt?

History is against him on this.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not just pride though.

You're asking a quarterback who'll be 31 at the start of the year and who's looking for the security of his last contract to go into a situation knowing that his health has been iffy without any guarantees.

It's not hard to understand why anybody in his position would decline that.

That's not pride. That's self protection.

Which is why I responded the way that I did. I would consider coming back for that last year "among all the available options." So, if I could get cut and have complete freedom to explore the market, I would consider that. If I had any input into working a trade, I would consider that. You'd have to explore all the options like any reasonable person would and that would include playing out the final year of your $19 million deal. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Which is why I responded the way that I did. I would consider coming back for that last year "among all the available options." So, if I could get cut and have complete freedom to explore the market, I would consider that. If I had any input into working a trade, I would consider that. You'd have to explore all the options like any reasonable person would and that would include playing out the final year of your $19 million deal. 

How many high profile athletes, and more importantly their agents, would you describe as "reasonable people"?

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

It didn't.  It hasn't looked "good" with exception of a handful of games since the initial injury.  He has been playing through pain for 2 seasons now.  I fear his shoulder will never last a full season ever again.  I am betting Tepper thinks the same thing.

Accurate.

It's not an ACL, a clavicle, or even an achilles, this is a breaking down of a power throwers shoulder......and the QB it's attached to is 30, not 23.

I really want to see peak Cam again, here or elsewhere, but I have SERIOUS doubts that will ever happen again.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

How many high profile athletes, and more importantly their agents, would you describe as "reasonable people"?

You asked me to put myself in the owner's place and then Cam Newton's place and make decisions. I'd make the decisions according to what I thought. I cannot speak to what Cam thinks because I am not him. 

As for high profile athletes, I am sure the bulk of them are reasonable people, much like the rest of us. I have no idea whether Cam is or not. I do know that he didn't bend this franchise over the barrel on his last contract when he easily could have or maneuvered himself to go elsewhere. So, I am not inclined to believe he is petty or unreasonable.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You asked me to put myself in the owner's place and then Cam Newton's place and make decisions. I'd make the decisions according to what I thought. I cannot speak to what Cam thinks because I am not him. 

As for high profile athletes, I am sure the bulk of them are reasonable people, much like the rest of us. I have no idea whether Cam is or not. I do know that he didn't bend this franchise over the barrel on his last contract when he easily could have or maneuvered himself to go elsewhere. So, I am not inclined to believe he is petty or unreasonable.

I wouldn't say the majority of the athletes, but even the athletes aren't the ones that do the business. Even the ones that are reasonable pay other people who are a lot less reasonable to handle their business affairs.

Take McCaffrey when his contract comes up. He might be inclined to be nice to us, but his agent will be another story.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You asked me to put myself in the owner's place and then Cam Newton's place and make decisions. I'd make the decisions according to what I thought. I cannot speak to what Cam thinks because I am not him. 

As for high profile athletes, I am sure the bulk of them are reasonable people, much like the rest of us. I have no idea whether Cam is or not. I do know that he didn't bend this franchise over the barrel on his last contract when he easily could have or maneuvered himself to go elsewhere. So, I am not inclined to believe he is petty or unreasonable.

What leverage did Cam have to "bend this franchise over a barrel"?

He was paid where he should have been paid at the time.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't say the majority of the athletes, but even the athletes aren't the ones that do the business. Even the ones that are reasonable pay other people who are a lot less reasonable to handle their business affairs.

Take McCaffrey when his contract comes up. He might be inclined to be nice to us, but his agent will be another story.

No way to know until it happens and even then we probably never would unless someone got huffy with the Panthers and leaked it. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Accurate.

It's not an ACL, a clavicle, or even an achilles, this is a breaking down of a power throwers shoulder......and the QB it's attached to is 30, not 23.

I really want to see peak Cam again, here or elsewhere, but I have SERIOUS doubts that will ever happen again.

Someone else pointed out that some of the younger crowd might be dealing with seeing a hero in decline for the first time. Hence, they may be extremely resistant to it.

Oldsters who have been around for a while have seen this play out dozens of times. We know how the story ends.

Father Time is undefeated.

[thefuzz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Someone else pointed out that some of the younger crowd might be dealing with seeing a hero in decline for the first time. Hence, they may be extremely resistant to it.

Oldsters who have been around for a while have seen this play out dozens of times. We know how the story ends.

Good point.  When you actually think a player IS Superman, maybe it's hard to realize that he's just another human like us.  Bigger, stronger, faster, sure...but most bodies breakdown the same.

Not everyone is Frank Gore.

[Shocker]

I think we will definitely be looking for a QB, probably even in the 2020 draft.  Gotta say it...Lawrence will almost assuredly go #1 but he is NOT a sure thing.  I know no one is but if some team gives up an ungodly number to picks to move up for him they could get seriously screwed.  He throws a lot of ints right now and has an unreal supporting cast at Clemson.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Cam was expected to silence his critics doubts this year by demonstrating the ability to make the deep throws and have his arm last an entire season.

It didn't work out that way, so now Cam and the Panthers are facing the worst case scenario of a having a franchise QB that is near the end of his contract without the needed evidence to show he is worth retaining.

If Cam agreed, the Panthers could retain his services for 2020, making next season a show me year.

Without that, signing Cam to a long term contract in the 30 mil/year range is problematic.

[raz]

since when is nick wright good at analyzing any sport?