2020 HC Candidates

[Khyber53]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The coming weeks are considered to contain the more difficult stretch of our schedule.

People are assuming we'll finish well  because we started well. That's not necessarily true.

We started about as lousy as we could possibly do with that 0-2.

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

Takes like this is why the huddle is seen as so delusional to outside observers.  Rivera is on pace with a 2nd year UDFA QB for a 10 win season or damn close to it despite a brutal schedule and a 0-2 hole b/c the starting QB lied about his injury, and was easily on pace for that last year when the same starting QB got his shoulder turned into swiss cheese and proceeded to put up bottom 3 starter stats the rest of the year.  This isn't McCarthey missing the post season despite having one of the top 3 QBs all time.

In most unbiased people's eyes that puts him in the category of good-borderline-great, yet this board actually thinks he's on the verge of being fired.  Delusional.

Again, you can't only judge him on this year. He has more losing seasons than winning ones. And this one isn't over yet.

But also, taking a deeper look at this one, our wins have come against subpar teams. When we've played good teams, we've lost.

Beating bad teams but losing to good ones isn't "borderline great".

[Everfrost]

I think Ron stays next year but if not

Robert Saleh,  Dude has fire 

or long shot Lincoln Riley 

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

No this is not how things work.  Coaches winning 8-10 games don't get fired in the NFL. You can shout 'BUT FOX' or 'BUT MCCARTHEY' all you want, but those were rare extenuating circumstances, i.e failing with a top QB of all time on a roster loaded with talent.  Not a team riddled with underperformers, injuries, and starting a UDFA with one game under his belt.

If we finish out 0-7, 1-6 or even 2-5 it might be a different story, but there's maybe 3 or 4 coaches in the league who would win more games with this roster as it stands than Coach Rivera.

What is his record vs. the division since 2015?

Answer me that, and then tell me why we should retain Ron Rivera.

The NUMBER 1 goal of a team is to win the division you are playing in.  It's the only way to guarantee that you make it to the dance, and without that invitation you can't accomplish goal number 2.  To win the Super Bowl.

 

[MVPccaffrey]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, you can't only judge him on this year. He has more losing seasons than winning ones. And this one isn't over yet.

But also, taking a deeper look at this one, our wins have come against subpar teams. When we've played good teams, we've lost.

Beating bad teams but losing to good ones isn't "borderline great".

Teams we've beaten are 21-20-1 outside of the game against us.  That's actually pretty damn good compared to other teams with similar or better records.  We're not feasting on dregs like some here with an agenda have been pushing.  

You are usually so smart and measured on other takes, so frankly i'm surprised you are so comfortable taking the side of the reactionary mouthbreathers on this

[MVPccaffrey]

I also like the implicit idea that Ron not getting 11 or more wins from this roster is somehow a failure.  Look at our UDFA growing pains QB and the PFF score thread.  Who else is getting that many wins from this roster?  Belichick and who else?  Ha.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MVPccaffrey said:

Teams we've beaten are 21-20-1 outside of the game against us.  That's actually pretty damn good compared to other teams with similar or better records.  We're not feasting on dregs like some here with an agenda have been pushing.  

You are usually so smart and measured on other takes, so frankly i'm surprised you are so comfortable taking the side of the reactionary mouthbreathers on this

It's not reactionary when he's been here nine years.

As to this season's record, Marty Schottenheimer was fired after finishing 14-2 and winning his division. He's not the only example. Coaches do indeed get fired after winning season sometimes, generally if it's felt like their whole body of work just isn't good enough.

That could easily be said of Rivera.

[MVPccaffrey]

And the Chargers have just been a powerhouse since he was canned, haven't they?

 

Huddlers naturally hyperfocus on the Panthers, like most fans do of their team, so I understand why the calls for Ron's head are coming.  They simply don't realize that the message board of about 27 or 28 other teams contain pretty much the exact same complaints about their coaches.  Or that their are boards with fans who would be celebrating like Christmas if they could get Rivera next season.

[Forty-Eight]

17 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I sure wouldn't be happy with Nagy, Pederson or McVay's situations this year. Lefleur inherited a good base and a HoF QB. McDermott gets to play the Jets and Dolphins twice a year (but, yeah, I do believe he's a helluva coach), Vrabel is coaching lights out and Gruden, let's watch the long play here... he was 4-12 in that first season.

Kingsbury... let's not crown the guy yet.

Lynn ... those Chargers look pretty bad, barring that upset of GB.

Onwards... Zac Taylor with the Bengals, Freddie Kitchens with the Browns, Vic Fangio with the Broncos, Matt Patricia with the Lions, Brian Flores with the Dolphins, Pat Shurmer with the Giants, Adam Gase with the Jets, Bill Callahan and heck, even Bruce Arians is struggling with Tampa. Half or more of those guys will be the ones sending out HC resumes at the end of this season. Not a one of them would be an upgrade.

And the good college coaches... they aren't moving. They are kings of their domains with better money and limitless fodder for the cannons.

You wanted the list. I gave you the list. 
 

Kitchens should’ve never been a HC. He got it bc he was friend with Baker. Flores is put in a no win situation. Verdict is still out on Fangio and Zac; I think they can be good.

Now, Shurmur and Gase should’ve never gotten another chance to be HC. Arians has a better resume’ which I guess he deserved it. But guess what all three got in common? RETREAD 

My list is better than your list. Drop mic

[Forty-Eight]

7 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

I also like the implicit idea that Ron not getting 11 or more wins from this roster is somehow a failure.  Look at our UDFA growing pains QB and the PFF score thread.  Who else is getting that many wins from this roster?  Belichick and who else?  Ha.

Im choking on my food seeing you believing that Ron is winning 11 games this season

[rayzor]

Just say no to:

• Retreads
• Defensive coaches
• Bilichick tree
• Anyone my age or older than me (turning 50 next year)

We need a young progressive and  aggressive offensive type mind. Has to be able to adapt.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

We've already addressed the whole "he'll get another job easy" thing.

John Fox did too.

Heck, so did Rich Kotite.

You don't keep a coach that you don't think is good enough just because somebody else might want him.

It's pretty much the same psychology as your parents trying to get you to eat something you hated by telling you other kids were hungry. The most common response was "send them this".

The response with Rivera would be "You want him? Take him."

[MVPccaffrey]

Just now, Forty-Eight said:

Im choking on my food seeing you believing that Ron is winning 11 games this season

No, that's just the criteria given by several on this thread for Ron to be "safe", ha.

[Forty-Eight]

4 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

And the Chargers have just been a powerhouse since he was canned, haven't they?

 

Huddlers naturally hyperfocus on the Panthers, like most fans do of their team, so I understand why the calls for Ron's head are coming.  They simply don't realize that the message board of about 27 or 28 other teams contain pretty much the exact same complaints about their coaches.  Or that their are boards with fans who would be celebrating like Christmas if they could get Rivera next season.

And those fans that get Ron next can enjoy having a middle school offense