Kyle Allen's game is improving.

[Ricky Spanish]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I will say that is one area that Kyle, at least IMO, has from start 1 of this season until yesterday's game made clear improvements. So, @AceBoogie I would argue that does indeed show the ability for those early fumbles to be corrected. I think he is doing a better job of feeling that pressure and eluding it or protecting the ball. Let's not write the story on Kyle Allen and TO's yet. If it is still a regular problem over the remaining games, then we can revisit this. 

That's kind of why I personally am higher on Kyle than I ever was on Pickles or for many young QBs for that matter. Kyle is learning from mistakes and you can see him getting a better FEEL for the position as the games go forward. He doesn't look like a deer caught in the headlights. Dude is standing in the pocket like a man, taking hits and trying to push the ball downfield. He has something that not a lot of QBs his age have: Poise. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

That's kind of why I personally am higher on Kyle than I ever was on Pickles or for many young QBs for that matter. Kyle is learning from mistakes and you can see him getting a better FEEL for the position as the games go forward. He doesn't look like a deer caught in the headlights. Dude is standing in the pocket like a man, taking hits and trying to push the ball downfield. He has something that not a lot of QBs his age have: Poise. 

I agree with this. I think despite his physical limitations, he will grow into the role over time if he continues this trend of improvement. Poise is the correct word. He is remarkably unflappable. 

[Snake]

Fact is the same now that it was in 2011. The Panthers QB no matter who has to play a perfect game with limited resources to overcome Rivera and his defense. Cam Newton could of had multiple Super Bowls if this wasn't the case and Kyle Allen is learning this first hand. It's time for q coach change simply because the players have to overcome the staff. 

[TheRed]

The loss was disappointing but we can win with Kyle. The turnovers can't continue against our upcoming level of competition though.

I'm still saying what I have all along, and that is the staff needs to put it together as well. There were some very inopportune playcalls that didn't help matters on top of execution.

When DJ Moore and CMC each top 100 yards you should be able to win. Also bare in mind the Packers had a defense ranked on the bottom twenties. There's just no excuse not to get that done, it isn't all on Allen or CMC. The staff needs to put them in a position to win.

There are also going to be some tough truths to face about this defense in the offseason. For many years that has been our backbone but if that is to continue we are going to have to retool at the very least. Truthfully I think unless we finish the season strong we need to take a long hard look at changing philosophies. Seems to have worked for the Packers who are first in their division at 8-2, and their defense is about average at best.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Snake said:

Fact is the same now that it was in 2011. The Panthers QB no matter who has to play a perfect game with limited resources to overcome Rivera and his defense. Cam Newton could of had multiple Super Bowls if this wasn't the case and Kyle Allen is learning this first hand. It's time for q coach change simply because the players have to overcome the staff. 

That's completely absurd and you know it. We have had good defenses in the past and this defense is not bad. We are very good in some regards and weak in others. The shots at Rivera....eh.....that could be true. 

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

I didn’t say he can’t make the out routes, we’re talking about hitting receivers downfield in stride instead of throwing jump balls

If a QB can hit an out route, they can hit a deep ball. It's a matter of getting the timing down and practice. I think given more time, that part of his game could improve if he works on it. 

[Call Me James]

Going into the off-season Kyle Allen will have had almost the entire season to show how good he is. 

 

[fortyrod]

Couple of misfires, but very encouraging overall.

[fortyrod]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

Besides the fumbles which should be correctable, I have serious concerns about his arm strength.  Yes, he shows good accuracy and touch on the ball for short and intermediate throws, but he is consistently under throwing open receivers who are not tall enough to be doing jump balls.  In the NFL you sometimes have to zip a ball downfield and I have doubts about his physical abilities to do that. That’s not something you can teach. 

This is my main concern with Kyle. Perhaps he can hang with CMC and get some of those sweet guns.

[lightsout]

Everybody saying Kyle Allen has noodle arm/lacks strength to get the ball downfield...how? Like where is that coming from? I seem to remember several balls making it 40+ yards through the air. How many of those throws are being hit at a high rate in this league by even the top QBs? The NFL game requires the short to intermediate throws to be almost automatic. Allen is providing that and improving at it even. He is hitting out routes to guys in stride from the far hash. That is one of the toughest throws to make, and he's consistently making it.

His deep ball is 100% on timing. He has to get through those progressions fast enough to nail the timing. He's throwing the ball AS HE SHOULD if he were on time. That is why it is behind the receivers by a couple steps. If he's a half second faster getting the ball out on the deep balls, he's hitting these guys in stride instead. This comes down to reps with receivers, reps on specific plays, and also on the receivers' end getting separation. Give Allen, Moore, and Samuel more time, they'll be smooth with it. The slants, digs, and outs are already pretty flawless.

The biggest issue I see in Allen is that he doesn't seem to find the safeties as often as he should. The INT yesterday, he simply just never saw the safety. Remove the safety, that's a TD and that is why he threw it, because he never saw that safety. And THAT is a young QB mistake. It's a mistake every young QB makes, not finding that extra defender and only looking at 1-on-1 matchups. Once he addresses that, and gets the timing down on the deep stuff, he will be fine.

[fortyrod]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Kyle isn't Cam. Kyle will probably never be able to put the team on his back and will it to victory.

That first pick kind of showed the difference. Kyle had a lot of space in front of him and chose to try and jam a throw in. Cam would have faked a couple of throws and then headed in for the TD, possibly sending a DB or two into the concussion protocol along the way. That's never going to be Kyle.

[fortyrod]

1 minute ago, lightsout said:

Everybody saying Kyle Allen has noodle arm/lacks strength to get the ball downfield...how? Like where is that coming from? I seem to remember several balls making it 40+ yards through the air. How many of those throws are being hit at a high rate in this league by even the top QBs? The NFL game requires the short to intermediate throws to be almost automatic. Allen is providing that and improving at it even. He is hitting out routes to guys in stride from the far hash. That is one of the toughest throws to make, and he's consistently making it.

His deep ball is 100% on timing. He has to get through those progressions fast enough to nail the timing. He's throwing the ball AS HE SHOULD if he were on time. That is why it is behind the receivers by a couple steps. If he's a half second faster getting the ball out on the deep balls, he's hitting these guys in stride instead. This comes down to reps with receivers, reps on specific plays, and also on the receivers' end getting separation. Give Allen, Moore, and Samuel more time, they'll be smooth with it. The slants, digs, and outs are already pretty flawless.

The biggest issue I see in Allen is that he doesn't seem to find the safeties as often as he should. The INT yesterday, he simply just never saw the safety. Remove the safety, that's a TD and that is why he threw it, because he never saw that safety. And THAT is a young QB mistake. It's a mistake every young QB makes, not finding that extra defender and only looking at 1-on-1 matchups. Once he addresses that, and gets the timing down on the deep stuff, he will be fine.

This is all wishful thinking until I actually see him overthrowing fast receivers in stride >40 yards downfield. Some of his medium throws are on the wobbly side as well. 

[steven8989]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I am not taking for granted a single thing this offseason. I think it is going to be a huge rebuild. 

I know CMC will be here. 

That sums up everything I know. 

I thought we would see changes after last year. I will not believe it till I see it. If Tepper does nothing after this year I will have no faith in him. He needs to show those brass balls like everyone said he had.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, fortyrod said:

That first pick kind of showed the difference. Kyle had a lot of space in front of him and chose to try and jam a throw in. Cam would have faked a couple of throws and then headed in for the TD, possibly sending a DB or two into the concussion protocol along the way. That's never going to be Kyle.

Cam is/was a unique weapon which forced opposing defenses to gameplan almost solely around containing him. Kyle won't be that guy either. It's not a slight in any way to Kyle, it's just the realization of the kind of player that Cam is/was. So, even if we move past Cam after this season, we can't get caught in the trap of overly comparing Kyle to Cam. They aren't ever going to be the same kind of players.