Kyle Allen's game is improving.

[GoPanthers123]

Generally big muscles make you less agile.  The faster your arm moves, the faster the ball will travel. 

[raz]

kyle allen is the greatest qb in the universe, much less the stratosphere.    maybe if i say it like this some of y'all will get the reference - kyle allen isth the greatethst qb in the univerthse, much leth the thstraothsphere.

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

Interesting. So is it the way in which he's throwing it?

There are improvements he can make in ball velocity by strengthening his lower body/core. Throwing a football is a core to extremity movement, and everything before the shoulder is about generating power. After that it's about direction until you get to the wrist, and then it's about spin and placement. Same thing as a free throw. Shoot a freethrow without moving our wrist (shaq because he broke it) and it'll just be a can of corn. Shoot a freethrow without your legs and it won't go anywhere. 

At the end of the day mass move mass. It's why weight lifting has classes. It's a give and take with mobility and flexibility of course, but with Kyle i think he could put on 15 pounds and not lose a lot. It has less to do with him improving arm strength and more to do with him deadlift and squatting, but there are people paid way more for that than me and he has access to them. Get ready to eat some cheeseburgers.

Now all that said there are some freaks of nature. Vick had an arm cannon and he weighed 185 soaking wet. Raise your right hand so that your elbow is at a right angle and your hand is straight in the air. Now keeping your elbow and shoulder where they arm, move your forearm back as far you can. Probably won't be able to get it very far.

somehow vick could go into that position and move his forearm back by like 70 degrees. Just an insane ability to generate torque. 

And then there's just differences in muscle insertion points and muscle density etc that we won't know unless we cut them apart and biopsy. 

tl;dr kyle needs to deadlift, squat, and eat sandwiches. some people are freaks and life's not fair. anyone stronger than me is on steroids. 

[kungfoodude]

27 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

There are improvements he can make in ball velocity by strengthening his lower body/core. Throwing a football is a core to extremity movement, and everything before the shoulder is about generating power. After that it's about direction until you get to the wrist, and then it's about spin and placement. Same thing as a free throw. Shoot a freethrow without moving our wrist (shaq because he broke it) and it'll just be a can of corn. Shoot a freethrow without your legs and it won't go anywhere. 

At the end of the day mass move mass. It's why weight lifting has classes. It's a give and take with mobility and flexibility of course, but with Kyle i think he could put on 15 pounds and not lose a lot. It has less to do with him improving arm strength and more to do with him deadlift and squatting, but there are people paid way more for that than me and he has access to them. Get ready to eat some cheeseburgers.

Now all that said there are some freaks of nature. Vick had an arm cannon and he weighed 185 soaking wet. Raise your right hand so that your elbow is at a right angle and your hand is straight in the air. Now keeping your elbow and shoulder where they arm, move your forearm back as far you can. Probably won't be able to get it very far.

somehow vick could go into that position and move his forearm back by like 70 degrees. Just an insane ability to generate torque. 

And then there's just differences in muscle insertion points and muscle density etc that we won't know unless we cut them apart and biopsy. 

tl;dr kyle needs to deadlift, squat, and eat sandwiches. some people are freaks and life's not fair. anyone stronger than me is on steroids. 

Same with Tiger and the amount of torque he was able to generate on his swing. He rotated his torso more than most golfers ever do. Of course, it also eventually led to the health issues he had. That kind of thing is difficult on the body over time.

[electro's horse]

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Same with Tiger and the amount of torque he was able to generate on his swing. He rotated his torso more than most golfers ever do. Of course, it also eventually led to the health issues he had. That kind of thing is difficult on the body over time.

Eh, swinging a golf club is a pretty natural movement as far body mechanics are concerned, unlike serving a tennis ball or pitching a baseball. 

I would never speculate on exactly why Tiger's back gave out, though if it was anything it was probably drunkenly crashing his car into a tree after cheating on his super model wife with a porn star. 

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Eh, swinging a golf club is a pretty natural movement as far body mechanics are concerned, unlike serving a tennis ball or pitching a baseball. 

I would never speculate on exactly why Tiger's back gave out, though if it was anything it was probably drunkenly crashing his car into a tree after cheating on his super model wife with a porn star. 

I am not sure I would agree that is any more natural, it's not a motion that you would use in your day to day life. Either way, the principles are similar.

Back and leg issues are not uncommon among golfers because of how much stress that swing puts on the body. Tiger moreso because his swing generated so much more torque than even a normal professional. He also incorporated strength training into his preparation, which was highly unusual for professional golfers. 

[electro's horse]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not sure I would agree that is any more natural, it's not a motion that you would use in your day to day life. Either way, the principles are similar.

Because you have entire groups of large, well developed muscles to generate rotational force, and you're not doing so in a way that would put unnatural strain on the lumbar spine. we literally rotate our torsos all the time. the external, internal obliques and TVA are very powerful, vascular muscles. You can literally lay on your back and rotate over from a prone position. That's pretty strong. 

compare those to your shoulder muscles you use to throw a baseball. In the shoulder girdle, it's your SITS muscles, which all fuging suck. like if you just reach behind your back seat to grab something you can tear one of them. They're poorly vascularized so they don't heal on their own. They were never intended to be strong. They're far more flexible because we evolved to....have flexibility there. 

Remember, we evolved from quadrupeds. As we did, our hips got stronger to hold us upright, and our shoulders got weaker and more flexible so we could do things like hold tools and masturbate and drink beer. You don't even have a real shoulder socket; you have a ring of shitty cartilage that just keeps GH joint from flopping around like an asshole. This is called your labrum. 

Lastly, back to evolution thing of how we would walk as quadrupeds. There would never be a reason for our foreleg to extend up and forward past midline. So that motion of throwing a baseball or serving a tennis ball flies in the face of millions of years of evolution because we never needed to do it. That's why women can generate very comparable force with a softball; they're using the musculature as it was intended. 

This isn't even getting in to how much your body hates holding baseballs and footballs. The forearms were not meant for that at all. That's one of the reasons german grenades had handles; they never played baseball and weren't used to it. 

As far as why golfers have so many injuries, it's because (well up until recently) golfers at every level are fat fugs who don't take care of themselves. 

tl;dr overhead motions have no place in evolutionary history, all the shoulder muscles are really shitty and can't do much, fat assholes play golf and that's why they get hurt. 

[KaseKlosed]

We are not getting to playoffs with Kyle Allen.  

[GoPanthers123]

23 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

We are not getting to playoffs with Kyle Allen.  

We started 0-2.  Allen is 5-2 so far, thats a playoff bound team.

[KaseKlosed]

6 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

We started 0-2.  Allen is 5-2 so far, thats a playoff bound team.

8-8 

[firefox1234]

On 11/14/2019 at 4:33 PM, GoPanthers123 said:

We started 0-2.  Allen is 5-2 so far, thats a playoff bound team.

[LinvilleGorge]

This thread and take did not age well.

[ImaginaryKev]

To be fair we were all just hoping for the best. Silver linings, etc. 

[firefox1234]

I remember watching Kyle Allen's game vs Arizona and thought "maybe he could be our Brady" after all the hype and stuff and each game I lowered my expectation until I already found myself at the doorsteps to Hell.