Kyle Allen Has Shown Enough

[thunderraiden]

He is Matt Moore, yall are clowns. He’ll be in the league 10 plus years, make good money but he will never lead a team to the playoffs.

[cmichd]

6 hours ago, WOW!! said:

His numbers right now realistically would have most teams looking for other options... So far 13tds and 11TO 2,173 yards and a 61.7 completion percentage .. Would be avg. Or below avg. Rookie season for the QB'S coming out now... If these numbers stay around the same.. This wouldn't be a QB you build around or make your franchise guy.. If you want to be a consistent winner in this league.. Plain and simple. 

Cam has had worse numbers with a better O/line and Cam was picked #1.  Just think Cam's first O/Line was Gross, Wharton, Khaili, Hangartner, and Oath and Bell.  You telling me Cam's first line was worse than the one Kyle played with yesterday.  Yea right.  We need to throw that San Fran game out the window.  Look what San Fran did to Rogers last night.

 

 

[TheRed]

Well the truth is when you set the bar at zero touchdowns and 4 turnovers the week before there really isn't anywhere to go but up. Allen needed to bounce back in a big way, and he did. The question is which version is the real him? He is going to get the opportunity to continue to show us, but time is of the essence. We don't have the luxury of making it through too many more multiple turnover stinkers. If he continues to play like he did against NO he will be the guy for the foreseeable future. But if he crashes again it's time to consider what the guy behind him has. If you don't think that's fair that is too bad but that is the nature of the NFL, especially when you're undrafted and playing QB.

[cmichd]

12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The same people who are advocating that Allen be the future starter now, are the same ones that will be crying when he shats the bed.

One game, which was arguably his best game, doesn't mean he's the heir apparent. 

Consistency means everything for a QB! How about we see more of yesterday (which wasn't perfect) before we get drunk off basically one game?

 

Top Dawg did you watch last night's game between SF and GB.  SF shut down Rogers too.  In the 4th Quarter he only had 90 yards passing too and Rogers has a better line than what Kyle had out in SF that day.  So one of the best had a nasty day too.  It does happen.  Not saying Kyle is ready to take the reins right now.  Maybe let Cam come back and see if he is ready for next year and then decide if we let him walk of we resign him for another 2 or 3 years with Kyle as backup.  GB and NO showed that Allen can play in this league as a starting QB.

[cmichd]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Well the truth is when you set the bar at zero touchdowns and 4 turnovers the week before there really isn't anywhere to go but up. Allen needed to bounce back in a big way, and he did. The question is which version is the real him? He is going to get the opportunity to continue to show us, but time is of the essence. We don't have the luxury of making it through too many more multiple turnover stinkers. If he continues to play like he did against NO he will be the guy for the foreseeable future. But if he crashes again it's time to consider what the guy behind him has. If you don't think that's fair that is too bad but that is the nature of the NFL, especially when you're undrafted and playing QB.

TheRed did you watch the game last night between SF and GB.  SF abused Rogers as they did Kyle last night.  Even those who are consider the one of the best in the league can have a stinker too.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, cmichd said:

TheRed did you watch the game last night between SF and GB.  SF abused Rogers as they did Kyle last night.  Even those who are consider the one of the best in the league can have a stinker too.

The Arizona Cardinals with Kyler Murray gave that same San Fran team all they could handle. Is Murray better than Rodgers?

Yes even good or great QB's have bad games, but the reality is highly touted and top overall draft picks will get more leeway than guys who didn't get their named called at all. That's just how the NFL works.

[trueblade]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Well the truth is when you set the bar at zero touchdowns and 4 turnovers the week before there really isn't anywhere to go but up. Allen needed to bounce back in a big way, and he did. The question is which version is the real him? 

Both. Whether you consider Allen a rookie or not, he's still a guy who made his 10th NFL start yesterday. Maddening inconsistency and struggles in the red zone are fairly common among young quarterbacks. 

[run-run-pass-punt]

Romo said something I think is true about Allen yesterday. He said, "This kid is going to be in the league for a long time." I may be slightly paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

He's confident, resilient, can make the throws, and is surprisingly elusive. He's got to iron out a couple things, but I think if he is protected, he'll show that his ceiling is probably higher than most expected.

[hepcat]

2 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

Romo said something I think is true about Allen yesterday. He said, "This kid is going to be in the league for a long time." I may be slightly paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

He's confident, resilient, can make the throws, and is surprisingly elusive. He's got to iron out a couple things, but I think if he is protected, he'll show that his ceiling is probably higher than most expected.

Unless he shows he can play at the level he did against the Saints every game, his ceiling is long-term backup. His awful performances (49ers and Falcons), plus the fumbling (he did have a fumble against the Saints that was recovered by the Panthers), make him not a viable long term starting option at this time. 

[run-run-pass-punt]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Unless he shows he can play at the level he did against the Saints every game, his ceiling is long-term backup. His awful performances (49ers and Falcons), plus the fumbling (he did have a fumble against the Saints that was recovered by the Panthers), make him not a viable long term starting option at this time. 

He's very young and inexperienced playing with sub-par protection. Shore up the line, and then we can make a proper evaluation imo.

He may turn out to be nothing more than a quality back-up, but under the circumstances, it's impossible to make a proper judgment.

[countryboi]

Holy poo Batman....opposing teams are right Panther fans are dumb as poo.  7 games does not a career make. 

[mav1234]

Allen is incredibly inconsistent... 3 excellent games, a couple good games.... then a couple terrible ones.

His OL sucks.  We have one good receiver.  A generational talent at RB.  Very hard to judge anyone in those circumstances. 

Allen will be on this team, as at minimum a backup next year.  If we blow up the coach and gm, and Cam isn't healthy, i expect the new person may bring in a vet for a qb competition in camp and preseason, see what we have, and try to land their guy week 2.

Allen has shown enough he is going to be on this team next year, imo.  More than that... too hard to say

[Carolina Cajun]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Allen is incredibly inconsistent... 3 excellent games, a couple good games.... then a couple terrible ones.

His OL sucks.  We have one good receiver.  A generational talent at RB.  Very hard to judge anyone in those circumstances. 

Allen will be on this team, as at minimum a backup next year.  If we blow up the coach and gm, i expect the new person may bring in a vet for a qb competition in camp and preseason, see what we have, and try to land their guy week 2.

Allen has shown enough he is going to be on this team next year, imo.  More than that... too hard to say

I was thinking that.  I could see a situation where we move on from cam, bring in dalton (who I think compares the most to allen) and they have a real competition.

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

a generational talent who is arguably more valuable catching the ball. and receivers who are pretty damn explosive. an OC who knows what he’s working with. and while the offensive line isn’t particularly good, allen does them no favors. kyle is in a very unique situation that allows him to dump off passes and accumulate stats unlike any other young qb that i can remember. his stats aren’t good but the thing about it is the box score actually looks better than the process.

he should be on the team next year for sure. i’ve said from the beginning he’s a fine backup and should remain on the team. but if he’s the week 1 starter then look forward to some early season draft talk in the main forum.

The fact that CMC is so good is why it is hard to evaluate Allen in the other direction.   I do not think Allen is in the worst situation of any young QB, but it is asinine to pretend it is a great situation... Unique, I would agree with...  Our defense is pretty awful, our OL is made up of actual turnstiles, and two of our top three WRs were tied for 3rd worst in percent of balls they  caught (while other receivers like Moore were much better).  Does't matter how fast Samuel runs when all he can actually do is run under balls.  Hopefully he improves, but that is for another thread. Yet you are right, good OC, CMC, Moore - so this is a mixed bag.

As to Allen dumping off passes, he is right in the middle of average air yards per attempt but is low in other categories.  Allen is right in the middle of other young QBs not named Lamar Jackson there...   He needs to get better at deep balls but it is not integral he leads the league there to put us in a position to win.

if Allen is the week 1 starter it is because we are in a rebuilding year. so yeah, there will be draft talk in the main forum.  but IMO, if we trot out anyone other than Cam Newton, it'll likely be the same doom and gloom in the main forum as if Allen was starting, because it means a full rebuild has begun.  I don't think that the 2020 Panthers are a FA QB away from being a major contender, so if we don't get Cam back, it makes sense to ride with whomever wins in camp between Allen, Grier, and some vet brought in for depth/teaching...