HYPOTHETICAL Cam Trades Thread

[SBiii]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm highly uncertain about his ability to stay healthy.

Getting healthy is one thing. He'll have time to do that. But after a couple of years now of shoulder problems, foot problems and other problems, it's pretty tough not to characterize throwing significant money his way as a gamble.

You're like mercury....

[SmittysLawnGuy]

On 11/12/2019 at 1:18 PM, SBiii said:

Trading and cutting are part of the set of possible outcomes resulting from said negotiations. 

The new news indicates Cam is seriously considering foot surgery at this point....just another weak card in an already weak hand he's been dealt.  

No possible path for him to bluff his way into a new deal or a big trade.

There is one scenario that my analysis ignores --- mental instability/illness.

If the team decides Cam is mentally unstable due to some sort of illness then their willingness to part with him increases exponentially.   

So let me get this straight. Say Cam tells Tepp there's no way I'm stepping on a field next year without a new contract. Meanwhile a team has already offered us a first rounder, you believe Tepper won't take it? Though if he does take it, its because Cam was mental? Hedge your bets much? Cam may have already threatened Panther brass  with this. Hence all of these projections he won't be back. Could it be a total bluff on Cams side? Sure. If your Tepper do you call him out on it and possibly lose a 1st rounder? I wouldn't. Now if no one offers say more than a 4th, then I'd damn sure call him on it and either see what we have in him next year or he can watch from his couch. The big unknown would be Tepper. He may tell him to kick rocks with  or without compensation.

[kungfoodude]

I would be curious to see what kind of market an unemployed Cam would have(in the cut scenario). I suspect it is going to be a lot of "prove it" kind of deals.

[mav1234]

8 hours ago, SBiii said:

To reiterate, Tepper will not allow Cam to leave due to the foot and/or shoulder...

If Tepper believes Cam is physically unable to "be Cam" for the entire season... yes. He would.

[Kuhndog94]

On 11/10/2019 at 11:47 AM, Mr. Scot said:

When you're looking at potential destinations, you have to consider the system.

Everybody talks about Chicago, but Chicago is running an Andy Reid style West Coast Offense. Is that really the best fit?

But DWill said we run a west coast offens3

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Kuhndog94 said:

But DWill said we run a west coast offens3

True 

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

(i)  So let me get this straight. Say Cam tells Tepp there's no way I'm stepping on a field next year without a new contract. Meanwhile a team has already offered us a first rounder, you believe Tepper won't take it?

(ii)  Though if he does take it, its because Cam was mental?

(iii)  Hedge your bets much?

(iv)  Cam may have already threatened Panther brass  with this. Hence all of these projections he won't be back. Could it be a total bluff on Cams side? Sure.

(v)  If your Tepper do you call him out on it and possibly lose a 1st rounder? I wouldn't.

(vi)  Now if no one offers say more than a 4th, then I'd damn sure call him on it and either see what we have in him next year or he can watch from his couch.

(vii)  The big unknown would be Tepper.  He may tell him to kick rocks with  or without compensation.

(i)  Correct.  Tepper is worth $11B because he understands asset valuation better than everyone else....he won't let Cam go for a 1st rounder regardless of what Cam says.

(ii)  Correct.  Mental instability is the only reason Tepper would discount the asset.

(iii)  No.  I'm betting that Cam finishes his career as a Panther.  I may lose the bet.

(iv)  "Threatening" David Tepper is a zero impact strategy, a complete waste of everyone's time. 

(v)  Yes.  Tepper will do exactly that if the situation progresses as such.  (it won't) 

(vi)  Agreed.

(vii)  If Cam is smart he will do exactly what David Tepper tells him to do...if he does so Tepper will reward him handsomely in the long run.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

4 minutes ago, SBiii said:

(i)  Correct.  Tepper is worth $11B because he understands asset valuation better than everyone else....he won't let Cam go for a 1st rounder regardless of what Cam says.

(ii)  Yes.  Mental instability is the only reason Tepper would discount the asset.

(iii)  No.  I'm betting that Cam finishes his career as a Panther.  I may lose the bet.

(iv)  "Threatening" David Tepper is a zero impact strategy, a complete waste of everyone's time. 

(v)  Yes.  Tepper will do exactly that if the situation progresses as such.  (it won't) 

(vi)  Agreed.

(vii)  If Cam is smart he will do exactly what David Tepper tells him to do...if he does so Tepper will reward him handsomely in the long run.

You have some valid points there except maybe one. What if Tepper just isn't a Cam fan or into signing ridiculous QB contracts and has no intent on resigning him? If that's the case there would be no good reason not to snatch the fist and move on.

[SBiii]

3 hours ago, mav1234 said:

If Tepper believes Cam is physically unable to "be Cam" for the entire season... yes. He would.

In that scenario Cam would not "leave" for another team --- he will be out of the league.

[Happy Panther]

Cowherd says Chicago and L.A. Chargers would be good fits for Cam. Says Cam would help sell tickets in L.A. 

[SBiii]

4 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

You have some valid points there except maybe one. What if Tepper just isn't a Cam fan or into signing ridiculous QB contracts and has no intent on resigning him? If that's the case there would be no good reason not to snatch the fist and move on.

There are 2 key reasons Tepper is worth $11B....

1.  As previously mentioned, he understands how to properly value assets better than everyone else.

2.  He's entirely unemotional in the crunch.  Once he's certain about the value of an asset he sticks with it through the toughest of times --- this is what earned him the Big Brass Balls that hang in his office (a gift from a client he made millions for).

First and foremost Tepper sees Cam as an investment.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Tepp cares about Cam as a person but he's not going to cut ties just because Cam pitches a hissy fit.

A healthy Cam gives the Panthers the best chance to win going forward and Tepper knows this....and he's willing to pay for the option of how it plays out with Cam.  He will not trade Cam (sell low) and allow another team to capture the upside on the asset.

PS...did you know Tepper bought 47,500,000 shares of Bank of America at $3/shr?

[SmittysLawnGuy]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

There are 2 key reasons Tepper is worth $11B....

1.  As previously mentioned, he understands how to properly value assets better than everyone else.

2.  He's entirely unemotional in the crunch.  Once he's certain about the value of an asset he sticks with it through the toughest of times --- this is what earned him the Big Brass Balls that hang in his office (a gift from a client he made millions for).

First and foremost Tepper sees Cam as an investment.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Tepp cares about Cam as a person but he's not going to cut ties just because Cam pitches a hissy fit.

A healthy Cam gives the Panthers the best chance to win going forward and Tepper knows this....and he's willing to pay for the option of how it plays out with Cam.  He will not trade Cam (sell low) and allow another team to capture the upside on the asset.

PS...did you know Tepper bought 47,500,000 shares of Bank of America at $3/shr

Lol. I bought about 100 shares at the same price.

Now if Tepper does not believe in Cams health and/or he doesn't think he will be able to perform at a pro bowl level then that kind of blows your theory. Then he would think a 1st rounder is thievery. That big commodity you speak of he may believe is fools gold.

[SBiii]

 

 

27 minutes ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

Lol. I bought about 100 shares at the same price.

Now if Tepper does not believe in Cams health and/or he doesn't think he will be able to perform at a pro bowl level then that kind of blows your theory. Then he would think a 1st rounder is thievery. That big commodity you speak of he may believe is fools gold.

The NFL player/information marketplace is very efficient...

...if Cam is broken down everyone else is going to know about it too.

[mav1234]

4 hours ago, SBiii said:

In that scenario Cam would not "leave" for another team --- he will be out of the league.

Not necessarily.  The Panthers are not necessarily going to leak information they may feel they have regarding his physical limitations.  Moreover, Cam's camp would likely deny that it is true.  The key part - for the Panthers - is what Tepper believes to be the case, not what ultimately could be the case if Cam is given another chance elsewhere.  Cam's ceiling is high was high enough that it is possible another team would take a shot at him and see.