The Offensive Line Situation

[My Goodness My Guinness]

Nice analysis. I think each of our O-Lineman do things well individually, but it's taking more time than we thought to gel as a unit. I think most of this comes down to losing Kalil at center. He may have regressed recently, but he was good at making checks and communicating with Cam. 

Honestly, a lot of the miscues we have seen may be due to Allen simply being young and not as knowledgeable as Cam in terms of communicating with the center to get everyone on the same page with protection. 

Still, it seems like it has been a slow and steady improvement on the season (excluding San Fran)

[Jon Snow]

Just now, panthers55 said:

So Hurney drafting Daley was luck?  And Hurney has been back for 2 years and done well. What happened a decade ago with a different owner will have no impact on Tepper's decision about Hurney.  You might still be pissed but Tepper will base it on the now not ancient history.

Done well is subjective.  This team looks like the typical Hurney built teams of the past to me.  All hype in the off-season and short on delivery during.  Mediocre and filled with excuses as usual.  That may be fine for some but not for me.

[panthers55]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Done well is subjective.  This team looks like the typical Hurney built teams of the past to me.  All hype in the off-season and short on delivery during.  Mediocre and filled with excuses as usual.  That may be fine for some but not for me.

Disagree totally. This team has more playmakers than most in Hurney's tenure which is why we are 5-1 with a backup quarterback. We have more depth than I can ever recall which is why we have had some significant injuries to multiple positions and guys filling in have filled the void pretty well. Jackson goes down and Cockrell fills in well. Williams and Little go down and Daley fills in well. Cam goes down and Allen fills in well. Honestly we have had enough injuries that in years past we would be out contention already.  No one is making excuses and we are winning surprising enough. Will it continue? Who knows. But to ignore how well this roster has been constructed both with starters and depth players speaks to an agenda based on the distant past not an honest look at our current team and the job Hurney has done since he has come back 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I am worried for Little's long term prospects in this league. 

Quick note on that: In his latest presser, Ron Rivera said that Little had indeed suffered two separate concussions.

Some had suggested that his second stint in the protocol was because of lingering effects from the first one, but apparently that's not the case.

Two concussions in that short a time is really really not good.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Disagree totally. This team has more playmakers than most in Hurney's tenure which is why we are 5-1 with a backup quarterback. We have more depth than I can ever recall which is why we have had some significant injuries to multiple positions and guys filling in have filled the void pretty well. Jackson goes down and Cockrell fills in well. Williams and Little go down and Daley fills in well. Cam goes down and Allen fills in well. Honestly we have had enough injuries that in years past we would be out contention already.  No one is making excuses and we are winning surprising enough. Will it continue? Who knows. But to ignore how well this roster has been constructed both with starters and depth players speaks to an agenda based on the distant past not an honest look at our current team and the job Hurney has done since he has come back 

All that means nothing if they finish with a mediocre record.   This team is trending downward my friend.  If they can't win the nfcs consistently it doesn't matter how much talent you think they have the proof is in the conference record.  We shall see who's right when the dust settles.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

All that means nothing if they finish with a mediocre record.   This team is trending downward my friend.  If they can't win the nfcs consistently it doesn't matter how much talent you think they have the proof is in the conference record.  We shall see who's right when the dust settles.

How is 5-1 a downward trend? The problem was an 0-2 start which we have turned into a winning streak outside of the debacle in San Fran. You seem to be looking for things to complain about here. Or are you talking Tampa or Cleveland and I am talking Panthers. We much be watching different games or teams. Will it continue? I don't have a clue but until we implode I am going to enjoy every game. Honestly we have already won more games than I thought we would when Cam went down. I don't understand all the angst and criticism from our own fanbase. I think many of you are so upset at Hurney and Rivera you want us to suck just so they get fired. That is an agenda I just don't understand or support.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, panthers55 said:

How is 5-1 a downward trend? The problem was an 0-2 start which we have turned into a winning streak outside of the debacle in San Fran. You seem to be looking for things to complain about here. Or are you talking Tampa or Cleveland and I am talking Panthers. We much be watching different games or teams.

I'm just telling you how I see it playing out.  I will not lose any sleep either way.  This current win streak is fools gold unless they win the division.  Care to see Ron's team record against the division since 2015?  It's a real eye opener.  Guess what, Hurney coming back didn't improve that one bit.  And before you start throwing out excuses let me say that I for one am very tired of the excuses.  Hurney is the GM, the buck stops there.  He could draft and sign nothing but HOF'ers and it doesn't mean jack if it doesn't end in a sustainable wining team.  If he's killing it then why doesn't his team own the division?   I let you have the last word because the record will stand for itself.

[DubE_4MR]

Paradis is coming off of a broken leg and likely missed a lot of strength and conditioning this offseason. I think a full offseason program will prove to be beneficial. Either way, interior OL is definitely a draft need. G/C combo can either start in place of GVR or eventually step in for Paradis as insurance.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm just telling you how I see it playing out.  I will not lose any sleep either way.  This current win streak is fools gold unless they win the division.  Care to see Ron's team record against the division since 2015?  It's a real eye opener.  Guess what, Hurney coming back didn't improve that one bit.  And before you start throwing out excuses let me say that I for one am very tired of the excuses.  Hurney is the GM, the buck stops there.  He could draft and sign nothing but HOF'ers and it doesn't mean jack if it doesn't end in a sustainable wining team.  If he's killing it then why doesn't his team own the division?   I let you have the last word because the record will stand for itself.

GMs find players, Coaches develop players. If they don't work out the coaches go before the GM most times unless your team is a bottom feeder and we are not.  Hurney can do his job and still not have a winning team. Look at Cleveland, the GM got the team the talent but the coach hasn't developed it. You don't need to replace the GM you need another coach. They don't have to be tied at the hip. 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

At this point, Little is a waste. We could have gotten Winovich to pair with Burns and a G instead or a DT and G or a C and G. I know we got lucky with Daley but I didn’t like the Little pick then and while we saw a flash, really don’t like it again. We’ve ignored the interior OL which was one of the deepest positions in the last two drafts. Hopefully, Little proves me wrong again, but he doesn’t seem like he could slide in at G at all. Just doesn’t seem to be that type.

Good points--I wanted Winovich--but trying to look forward and not back.  Little was promoted by some to be a G---not T---but I have not seen him.  I think it is too soon to call a rookie a waste, however, after a few games.  He is raw

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

I like the optimistic approach but fact is they need to play better or we won't have any QBs. Allen got blasted more than once by the Titans. We he was protected he was throwing lazers looking like Rodgers but you can only do that if your line holds. Hopefully they have a strong day Sunday. 

I am with you--The point was that they are getting better--by no means have they arrived.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

paradis and turner both get pushed around and knocked back...a lot

I think Turner is overrated.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

GMs find players, Coaches develop players. If they don't work out the coaches go before the GM most times unless your team is a bottom feeder and we are not.  Hurney can do his job and still not have a winning team. Look at Cleveland, the GM got the team the talent but the coach hasn't developed it. You don't need to replace the GM you need another coach. They don't have to be tied at the hip. 

But in this case they are.  Hurney hired Ron and refused to fire  him when he was tasked to do it previously.  If anything Ron proved he could do better without Hurney as he did under what has been described by the crowd on here as the worst GM we ever had.  How do you reconcile that?

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think it is too soon to call a rookie a waste, however, after a few games.  He is raw

I'll be honest with you. After two concussions in a very short span, I'm scared to see the kid go out there again.