Don McNabb

[Johnny Rockets]

Not sure that McNabb's deep ball accuracy is good enough for him to really excel in other offenses. JMO.

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I wouldn't argue against that either viewpoint either......he very well might have done worse in another system.

And as far as the pressure.....with the game on the line I have never had confidence in Mcnabb to lead the team to victory and I think that is one of the most important things in a QB. The play calling and game management has always been horrible in those situations by McNabb and that coaching staff.

[thefuzz]

I like McNabb alot in the West Coast, but even then, his accuracy is off.

You are right. For some reason, he and Reid have somehow wilted when pressure is at it's greatest. I would love for the Panthers to have achieved the success that the Eagles have through the past 7-8 years, but having said that, much of that has come from the late great JJ.

McNabb is a top 10 QB, many teams would love to have him, but he is not elite, IMO.

[King Taharqa]

How does Don McNabb put up 450 yards passing and throw 2 TDs and only 1 pick at the end of regulation and the Eagles still lose? 29 rushing yards TOTAL for the Eagles, thats how.

[Miaoww]

That's because all Reid calls is passes. That and McNabb has taken away his best weapon (his legs) because he wants to be considered a pocket passer.

[Mesmer]

McNabb has never been a dangerous runner. It's a misconception. He's big, and he's not exactly slow for his size, but he's no scrambling QB, and he never was.

Sure, he's not molasses out there like Beurlein or Delhomme, but he's definitely at his best in the pocket.

I know that they haven't won a Super Bowl, and that when it's all said and done (if they don't) that McNabb will catch a lot of that flak. But, the thing is, Donovan is not the reason why they haven't won a SB. He's a big part of the reason why they've come close so many times, though.

Unfortunately, I think the whole, "You don't know what you've got til it's gone" saying will apply here for Philadelphia fans. Same thing goes with Andy Reid. And in completely semi-related, but off topic for this thread news... I'm beginning to feel the same way about John Fox here.:confused:

[thefuzz]

How does Don McNabb put up 450 yards passing and throw 2 TDs and only 1 pick at the end of regulation and the Eagles still lose? 29 rushing yards TOTAL for the Eagles, thats how.

Did you watch the game.

McNabb could not put the ball in the end zone, they settled for FG's and the rest is history.

The Chargers let him dink and dunk all day long because they knew that he was not going to be able to put the ball in the end zone, and certainly not on a quick strike. They played him very well. All people look at are the numbers...but not the game itself.

McNabb was efficient, but that's it. That's usually enough to win, but not against SD, in their house.

[Johnny Rockets]

Did you watch the game.

McNabb could not put the ball in the end zone, they settled for FG's and the rest is history.

The Chargers let him dink and dunk all day long because they knew that he was not going to be able to put the ball in the end zone, and certainly not on a quick strike. They played him very well. All people look at are the numbers...but not the game itself.

McNabb was efficient, but that's it. That's usually enough to win, but not against SD, in their house.

:eek:.....wow that assesment is dead on. Color me impressed.

I watched every play and that is so true.... 3 possesions in a row inside the 10 and couldn't get the ball in which has been going on for years. Passing it, running it, didn't matter. Is it all McNabb's fault? No, but he plays a big role in that. I think I heard McNabb had his first passing TD in the 4th quarter of the year in that game. Not sure how factual that is but it wouldn't suprise me.

[pstall]

thats how you defend the West Coast when you just pass.

Play bend but don't break, smart zone and cover 2 and its money in the bank.

But the Eagles are one of those strange teams that HAVE to have some kind of adversity to get motivated.

[thefuzz]

:eek:.....wow that assesment is dead on. Color me impressed.

I watched every play and that is so true.... 3 possesions in a row inside the 10 and couldn't get the ball in which has been going on for years. Passing it, running it, didn't matter. Is it all McNabb's fault? No, but he plays a big role in that. I think I heard McNabb had his first passing TD in the 4th quarter of the year in that game. Not sure how factual that is but it wouldn't suprise me.

Unlike many, I actually watch almost every game that is played.

They went into the game knowing that they were going to stop Jeromy and Desean, and they did. Pretty much game over for a West Coast team if you can't run at all, and are down early.

[Mr. Scot]

I've heard the WCO referred to as a "horizontal offense". That's one reason why I'm not that fond of it.

[thefuzz]

IMO it works against 4-3 teams a bit better than 3-4 teams.

Totally my opinion on that one though.

[Mr. Scot]

IMO it works against 4-3 teams a bit better than 3-4 teams.

Totally my opinion on that one though.

Bill Walsh originally implemented it in part as a response to Buddy Ryan`s 46 defense. Ryan never really came back with an effective counter. Others (like Bill Parcells) did.

[Miaoww]

McNabb has never been a dangerous runner. It's a misconception. He's big, and he's not exactly slow for his size, but he's no scrambling QB, and he never was.

Sure, he's not molasses out there like Beurlein or Delhomme, but he's definitely at his best in the pocket.

I know that they haven't won a Super Bowl, and that when it's all said and done (if they don't) that McNabb will catch a lot of that flak. But, the thing is, Donovan is not the reason why they haven't won a SB. He's a big part of the reason why they've come close so many times, though.

Unfortunately, I think the whole, "You don't know what you've got til it's gone" saying will apply here for Philadelphia fans. Same thing goes with Andy Reid. And in completely semi-related, but off topic for this thread news... I'm beginning to feel the same way about John Fox here.:confused:

He's bulked up far too much. When he came into the league he was much more lithe and as a result was a dangerous runner. Sure he couldn't take a game over ala Vick, but he could get you a few first downs a game with his feet which is a very valuable asset and is something the D has to account for.

[Mr. Scot]

You can thank Warren Sapp for some of what you see from McNabb, even today.

A long time back when the Eagles and Bucs were meeting in the playoffs, Sapp called McNabbv"a runningback who passes". The criticism stung McNabb, and in the playoffs he limited his running in order to show that he wasn`t what Sapp had called him.

Unfortunately, he passed up opportunities where running would have been the right choice. The Eagles ended up losing.

Sapp was a master of mind games like that. Truthfully, there`s evidence the effects of Sapp`s words lasted well beyond the game they were meant to affect. You could argue that McNabb`s been trying to escape that description for a good portion of his career.