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13 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Doesn't matter, the point was, it wasn't at a pro bowl level either. 

Pro bowl level for a QB is about half the league due to the number of QBs that turn it down. Trubisky was in the pro bowl last year.

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5 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Pro bowl level for a QB is about half the league due to the number of QBs that turn it down. Trubisky was in the pro bowl last year.

If you don't get selected to the probowl initally, you aren't a pro bowl level QB, you got in by default. Half the time the 2 quarterbacks in the Superbowl should have gotten the award but arent eligible. 

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9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean, he's not just suggesting having Newton play out next year. He wants the Panthers to extend him.

Extend a guy who, by the time next season rolls around won't have played for a good season and a half,  hasn't been healthy in probably a good two or three years and is coming off a couple of shoulder surgeries.

There are major questions as to whether Newton will be willing to play a "prove it" season, but at this point pretty much nobody takes the idea extending him seriously. That's just way too big a risk.

To be brutally honest, that's probably more wishful thinking than analysis.

Not how I read it. It said his ideal situation was for Newton to return to elite status and THEN extend him.

Also, the last paragraph in the quote from the OP basically says it’s very risky extended him and hoping he returns to form.

Basically his entire opinions are common sense.

But for the ideal scenario (Before knowing if Cam is 100%) to play out 3 things have to happen.

1. Cam wants to play his career here.


2. Tepper wants Can to play his entire career here.

3.Cam is ok going in 2020 without an extension to prove himself (which would confirm point #1).

 

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I mean, he's not just suggesting having Newton play out next year. He wants the Panthers to extend him.

Extend a guy who, by the time next season rolls around won't have played for a good season and a half,  hasn't been healthy in probably a good two or three years and is coming off a couple of shoulder surgeries.

There are major questions as to whether Newton will be willing to play a "prove it" season, but at this point pretty much nobody takes the idea extending him seriously. That's just way too big a risk.

To be brutally honest, that's probably more wishful thinking than analysis.

I was saying it would be crazy to extend him around week 4. My opinion was he needed to come back after the bye, be healthy and play well for the rest of the season then do that again for the entirety of next season in order to justify getting a new contract.

To think that extending Cam now is the best plan when he will miss the rest of the season is absolute lunacy. Right now he would have to be willing to play out the contract(which is absolutely no sure thing), be the Cam from 2015 and remain completely healthy next year for me to think extending him is the best move. A huge extension, which is what he will command, that backfires could set the team back years.

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8 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Not how I read it. It said his ideal situation was for Newton to return to elite status and THEN extend him.

Also, the last paragraph in the quote from the OP basically says it’s very risky extended him and hoping he returns to form.

Basically his entire opinions are common sense.

But for the ideal scenario (Before knowing if Cam is 100%) to play out 3 things have to happen.

1. Cam wants to play his career here.

2. Tepper wants Can to play his entire career here.

3.Cam is ok going in 2020 without an extension to prove himself (which would confirm point #1).

My ideal scenario has the Panthers winning the next ten Super Bowls by significant margins. I'm not expecting it to actually happen, though.

As far as the conditions, Number 3 is a pretty big question mark right now.

As to Number 2, Rodrigue pointed out that Tepper isn't really that tied to Newton so that one's in question as well.

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The best scenario would be making the playoffs and Cam coming back and beating a team round 1. That's the only way I see positive things happening. If we don't make the playoffs Rivera or Hurney should be fired period. No excuses for this year. The next HC/GM can choose to risk their career on Newton or Allen. If we make the playoffs and Allen wins a game well you don't go with the broken QB when you have a playoff QB. See Philly. 

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2 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

A lot of people had him in the conversation for MVP before he got hurt, and not just Panther homers. 

Lots of folks get mentioned early in the season based on a few good games. But he wasn't close to doing what Mahomes was doing after 8 games. Mahomes had 26 TD and 5 Ints through 8 games. Two rushing TDs and 5 fumbles.  Cam had 13 TDs and 4 Ints. 4 rushing TDs and 4 fumbles.

28 TDs versus 17.  Not even close.

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