Here's the definitive post about where we stand with Cam Newton's future with the team

[Jus Rob]

Hard to blame the training staff when he's hiding injuries he should know his own body and realize he can't perform at his optimum level. Cam has to to look out for his future I can't blame him for that whether it be here or someone else . Please be here 

[lightsout]

We're not in the worst spot at QB. Allen may not be long term, Grier may be. Assuming Cam is done, I think we're OK at QB for another year and then you have to really determine if you're happy. If not, you better get one that IS a long term, franchise QB because you don't win in this league consistently without that.

[Mr. Scot]

Mentioned it elsewhere: My paranoia is that the team decides Allen is "good enough", but then he's not.

Extending Newton would be insane, and hardly anybody seems to believe he'll play out next year as a "prove it" year, so that's not likely an option.

But if they were to stick around, do I trust the current leadership to steer the franchise's post-Newton future?

Oy

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Mentioned it elsewhere: My paranoia is that the team decides Allen is "good enough", but then he's not.

Extending Newton would be insane, and hardly anybody seems to believe he'll play out next year as a "prove it" year, so that's not likely an option.

But if they were to stick around, do I trust the current leadership to steer the franchise's post-Newton future?

Oy

Scariest option by far.

Jettison Cam, stick with Kyle, stick with Ron, stick with Marty.....

That won't make me not be a fan, but it would come close.

 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Mentioned it elsewhere: My paranoia is that the team decides Allen is "good enough", but then he's not.

Extending Newton would be insane, and hardly anybody seems to believe he'll play out next year as a "prove it" year, so that's not likely an option.

But if they were to stick around, do I trust the current leadership to steer the franchise's post-Newton future?

Oy

The fact is you have to choose to move on or not. The question is setting this franchise back 5 years worth it? From what I've seen Rivera and Hurney can't even get a playoff birth together. So why are we not moving on from all three?Rebuilding might not be pleasant but kicking the tires 5 more years isn't either. If Newton digs his heels in and says pay me or else. Let him walk because you won't be getting a franchise QB or a playoff team that way. 

[ColumbusCounty]

A lot of people have just automatically gave up on Cam. The same thing will eventually happen to Luke, and CMC.. 

I will say this though, if he takes the rest of this season and the offseason to get back his foot back in order, that extended time off should actually help strengthen his shoulder. 

I don't care what anyone on this board thinks or says about it, Cam is a fierce competitor. He "may" not be in a Panthers uniform next year, but I assure you he will START somewhere at some point. I personally believe he is far from done. And once again, Cam with a healthy shoulder and a good foot is obviously the smart decision. 

I don't see his body shutting down, I do think that vegan life isn't doing him any favors. 

This whole situation reminds me of Matt Moore... Allen is cool and I'm glad he's winning but to say he and Cam have played under the same circumstances is crazy. If Daley goes down and Williams has to step in (well we all remember the first two plays of that San Fran game iirc)...and with the schedule coming up, we shall see what the future holds for Kyle. But if he reverts back to playing like he did two weeks ago... This entire board will turn on Allen.  

That said, I would say you let him heal up and play next year ...assuming he still wants to play for this team. See what he has... 

I remember the Matt Moore days, the St.Pierre, the Clausen, etc... Jesus

[Sam Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

No kidding and the hot takes are ridiculous. A team friendly deal? If I’m not mistaken, Cam signed a top of the line QB deal last extension. QB deals have skyrocketed the past few years with the revenue increase and cap expansion. Let’s still not act like he signed a below market deal because he didn’t. Every time a player signs a long term deal they get cheap as you get near the end. KK signed a huge deal for a DT at $16m per season, but top DL are now getting paid 40% more.

Acting like Cam signed a cheap extension before thinking his 30+ year old deal would be double is one of the worst opinion pieces I’ve ever seen. The deal he signed was based on the market at the time, that’s it.

Oh and a LOL at him being disappointed to not get another extension after year 1 of his 5 year extension in the 2017 offseason. 

Might have worded things a little incorrectly, but the gist remains: Cam wishes his contract situation had been resolved by now and it hasn't been. He now feels grossly underpaid compared to what the market is giving to QBs and what he feels he's worth.

[Sam Mills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Snake said:

The fact is you have to choose to move on or not. The question is setting this franchise back 5 years worth it? From what I've seen Rivera and Hurney can't even get a playoff birth together. So why are we not moving on from all three?Rebuilding might not be pleasant but kicking the tires 5 more years isn't either. If Newton digs his heels in and says pay me or else. Let him walk because you won't be getting a franchise QB or a playoff team that way. 

This sounds good in theory, but there have been a number of teams that have been frustrated with their status quo that jettisoned their QB and coach and GM and are now bottom dwellers. The grass isn't always greener.

[rayzor]

I do know this....support for the team was floundering at best before Cam. Cam was drafted not just because of his play on the field, but because of his attitude, marketability, and his ability to energize a team and fanbase and, if things worked out, to grow it.

He did all that. He may be hated because he doesn't fit a (narrow-minded) mold that a lot of people think a pro QB should fit in, but love him or hate him, he put the Panthers in the map a way it had never been before.

What had to be a (not THE, just a) huge draw for Tepper in going all in on buying the team was the marketing power and energizing presence of #1.  Not having Cam under center would a huge hit to energy and attention this team gets.

We're seeing that now. We're winning, but enthusiasm is at a low. Why? No Cam. Simple and plain. Tepper has to figure out how to navigate these waters. Moving on from Cam might make sense considering the cap and his uncertain injury status and future because of those injuries. But the question is, from a long term business perspective is...can this team take the marketable hit of losing Cam? 

I think we're seeing a taste of that now. The answer is no. Unless you can replace that presence, whether we're winning or losing, we're going to be just another team out there.

Maybe that's enough for Tepper, but I doubt it. He's going to want more return on his investment. Winning big on the field is a must. Being marketable is a must as well. He's going to take a big hit if we lose Cam in a lot of ways and that hit may be bigger long term than the hit to the cap.

He's got to have one hell of a plan B if he moves in from Cam... And Kyle Allen won't be it. CMC is on a record setting pace and arguably the best player out there, but he's not the dynamic presence that is needed. It has to be a QB. So, basically, good luck in finding someone to fill that void if it's created.

[Sam Mills Fan]

9 minutes ago, rayzor said:

We're seeing that now. We're winning, but enthusiasm is at a low. Why? No Cam. Simple and plain. Tepper has to figure out how to navigate these waters. Moving on from Cam might make sense considering the cap and his uncertain injury status and future because of those injuries. But the question is, from a long term business perspective is...can this team take the marketable hit of losing Cam? 

I think we're seeing a taste of that now. The answer is no. Unless you can replace that presence, whether we're winning or losing, we're going to be just another team out there.

I've seen some people talk about this, but I truly think the meltdown in San Francisco the week before was a bigger contributor to that than no Cam.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

I've seen some people talk about this, but I truly think the meltdown in San Francisco the week before was a bigger contributor to that than no Cam.

Somebody pulled the attendance numbers in another thread and showed that home game attendance in the two games without Newton was actually higher than the two games he was in.

That said, I can understand lacking enthusiasm right now. And it's not necessarily all centered around Cam Newton or Kyle Allen, though I'm sure not having Newton in there does play a part.

I disagree with the notion that the team isn't marketable without Newton though. The team survived losing Steve Smith. They have a budding MVP in Christian McCaffrey and an established star in Luke Kuechly. plus every year's draft and free agency brings shiny new toys that everybody can get excited over.

What will determine the teams future popularity is one thing and one thing only.

Are we winning?

If we are, then we're marketable. I don't care who's playing or who's not.

Now mind you, we're going to have to do it for a while. The fanbase has seen the team win in short spurts and then go back to being mediocre plenty of times. So it'll have to be sustained winning before the real excitement comes back.

[KB_fan]

3 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

TLDR: It's over. start looking at mock drafts... for 2021. Kyle Allen is basically Matt Moore in 2009. GM next year needs to have Phins style fire sale and load up on those tasty first round picks.

 

Fire sale with what players? We've already got something like 25 free agents... We're going to be buyers, not sellers just to fill our roster.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

This sounds good in theory, but there have been a number of teams that have been frustrated with their status quo that jettisoned their QB and coach and GM and are now bottom dwellers. The grass isn't always greener.

Who the Browns and Jets? The fact is the Packers eventually moved on from Brett Favre who had multiple super bowls, The 49ers moved on from Joe Montana and we are going to move on from Cam. He's not going to get any better at the wrong side of 30 with two shoulder injuries and a ankle injury. McNabb retired at 31 and Vick after a year off retired at 36. Running QBs don't have a huge shelf life in the NFL. 

[Snake]

13 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Fire sale with what players? We've already got something like 25 free agents... We're going to be buyers, not sellers just to fill our roster.

Exactly, we will be rebuilding one way or another.