Kyle Allen can’t become a franchise QB? Think again..

[Call Me James]

5 minutes ago, PanthersNC1984 said:

Neither were Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers stats I posted, I’m comparing first seasons actually playing as a full time starter

But what are you comparing? Like what conclusion are you trying to draw? 

Every QB you listed has a superior skillset to Kyle Allen. All but Brady were brought in to be the QB of the future. 

Where do you see him developing? Where do you see him struggling? 

He's on pace for 2600 yards. He's not being asked to do what most rookie QBs who lead their teams are asked to do. He's not asked what any franchise QB is asked to do. 

And he's not a very good downfield passer. 

There are plenty of QBs that make better comparisons than the 4 of the greatest QBs all time if you were looking for an honest discussion. 

 

I'm just saying

 

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

That's totally inaccurate. Not to mention his last throw he didn't load up so he didn't over throw him. I will wait because he will work on it and you can move on to bitching about something else. 

Dude. I am a huge Allen supporter.  You are acting like a crazy homer.  It is okay he isn't the most perfect person ever to play QB.  We can comment on his play without being dicks, without being unreasonable, and with highlighting areas of need.  Many of us regularly point out his improvements.  That is good.  But he is far from perfect, and he is lacking in vertical passing attack.  

To illustrate, prior to this game, he had the lowest completion percentage of *any other QB* this season on passes>20 yards.  Given he went something like 2/7 this last game, that doesn't bode well for that changing.  Our WRs are not AMAZING, but he has serious deficiencies in his deep ball atm.  Hopefully that changes, since as I noted, he HAS connected on them before.

[mav1234]

Just now, Call Me James said:

Every QB you listed has a superior skillset to Kyle Allen. All but Brady were brought in to be the QB of the future. 

The "skillset" evaluation done on rookies is not binding...  it does not indicate potential all the time...  if it did, Brady never would have become what he is today.

I agree comparing Allen to some of the all time greats is a little ridiculous tho.

[Call Me James]

9 minutes ago, Snake said:

The most hilarious part of all this is the Kyle Haters are taking the same approach as the Cam haters. Aka he can't throw down field and is inaccurate mid range. While totally ignoring a poor line and WR play. Those guys actually matter too. 

Cam Newton is a better deep ball passer than Kyle Allen with practically the same completion percentage. 

[Auspanther]

Anyone who doesn’t want cam as our qb1 is delirious .

allen has been admirable but is no where near cam . Crazy how quick people are to jump ship .

[CRA]

31 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

He can’t make all the nfl throws

Tom Brady currently can’t make all the throws.  And he doesn’t....and they scheme the Pat O so he doesn’t even think about making some of them. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Couple things I saw that will be exploited by a good d coordinator, he seems to stare at his targeted receiver more than often. 

He improved light years from last week as far as how he dealt with pressure, took some shots and made throws while doing so.

pocket presence needs some work for sure.

kyle Allen will go as far as kyle Allen will go in short, if he puts the work in it will show, that’s the good thing about guys who don’t come in with all the tools to succeed, they tend to work harder because they have to in order to succeed 

[mav1234]

Just now, CRA said:

Tom Brady currently can’t make all the throws.  And he doesn’t....and they scheme the Pat O so he doesn’t even think about making some of them. 

Tom Brady, as of last week, had the highest completion % of throws >20 yards... but, that's because there is more to a deep ball than just chucking it up as far as you can and letting someone run under it - which is why I believe Allen WILL get better in this area.  Or at least, I hope he does, since we will need him to for a playoff run.

[332nd]

15 minutes ago, Snake said:

The most hilarious part of all this is the Kyle Haters are taking the same approach as the Cam haters. Aka he can't throw down field and is inaccurate mid range. While totally ignoring a poor line and WR play. Those guys actually matter too. 

Say that again... but slowly.

[Daddy_Uncle]

21 minutes ago, FeelTheBurns53 said:

Kyle Allen just seems to have that "it" factor, something no amount of physical talent or collegiate accolades could manifest. 

The confidence level is uncanny. He can literally make 10 horrible throws in a row and follow that with 10 straight jaw dropping dimes. 

That's what separates him from most 1st round picks that have fizzled out. As long as he can maintain that mental edge, he'll be a force to be reckoned with for years to come. 

He has the CMC factor creating long drives. Don't kid yourself. He makes way too many mistakes and when he isn't making mistakes we are saying he is very lucky for not making one. Put him on a really bad team and he looks like trash. A 100% healthy Cam and nobody is beating us

[TheRumGone]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Tom Brady currently can’t make all the throws.  And he doesn’t....and they scheme the Pat O so he doesn’t even think about making some of them. 

Man you are really fuging losing it. Why does the name Tom Brady come up every fuging thread about Allen. 
 

this fan base is straight up retarded. Time to go to reddit for football talk for good. 
 

peace

[332nd]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Tom Brady, as of last week, had the highest completion % of throws >20 yards... but, that's because there is more to a deep ball than just chucking it up as far as you can and letting someone run under it - which is why I believe Allen WILL get better in this area.  Or at least, I hope he does, since we will need him to for a playoff run.

Oh I'm sure he will. He's shown flashes of brilliance along with incredible... "rookieness". Plus he seems like a smart kid, so I'm sure he'll get better in a lot of areas.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

15 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I agree with all of this stuff 

I disagree with you.

[Daddy_Uncle]

18 minutes ago, Snake said:

The most hilarious part of all this is the Kyle Haters are taking the same approach as the Cam haters. Aka he can't throw down field and is inaccurate mid range. While totally ignoring a poor line and WR play. Those guys actually matter too. 

This offensive line is way better than any Cam has had. Also Cam is a much better deep ball passer. He had one of the strongest arms in the league until he hurt his shoulder. How soon people forget. Only problem is he had Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess. He had Ted Ginn but Ginn dropped half the deep passes Cam through. We finally have the receivers now that Cam needed then. With Moore and Samuel. They are deep threats that we cant utilize because Allen cant throw the ball deep