Kyle Allen can’t become a franchise QB? Think again..

[Mr. Scot]

At this point, anybody who isn't buying into Allen needs to hope he's better than you think, because as of now he's the guy.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

 

Say what now?  So We blaming ginns dropsies on cam being inaccurate? This place really has lost it. For the record Ginn dropped plenty of these while he was here in STRIDE.

No. That’s not a fair reading of what I said. I don’t know if you misunderstood or are willfully twisting to attempt avoiding acknowledging the underlying point. 

To clarify: what I am saying is that accuracy has always been the biggest weakness in Cam’s game. Ginn dropped his fair share of catchable balls but there were also a number of throws where Cam was just off on the throw. His inaccuracy has often left receivers having to catch balls thrown behind or above them, forcing them to slow down or jump for the catch, the resulting loss of momentum reduces the opportunity for YAC.

Cam’s career completion percentage is below average compared to other qb’s of his stature. Beyond that, anyone watching his games regularly and being fair minded should be able to acknowledge that while his receivers have not always been impressive, he has also regularly struggled with his ball placement and accuracy. These things are not secrets or new info, so I’m not sure why you seem to be feigning shock at such notions.

If you feel differently then we just fundamentally have differing opinions on his performance as a passer. That’s okay, but it doesn’t make anyone a racist or worthy of scorn or insult, it’s a just difference of opinion. 

[Proudiddy]

Mark my words, if we hadn Kyle the job and move on from Cam, we will be looking for a new QB in another 2-3 years. 

If Cam is healthy, and stays healthy, he has another 5-10 years of high-level football left.  Kyle is a very, very short-term solution.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Proudiddy said:

Mark my words, if we hadn Kyle the job and move on from Cam, we will be looking for a new QB in another 2-3 years. 

If Cam is healthy, and stays healthy, he has another 5-10 years of high-level football left.  Kyle is a very, very short-term solution.

Moving on from Newton doesn't necessarily mean handing the job to Allen.

That's only one option.

[RumHam]

16 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

He can’t make all the nfl throws

This is all you need to know and his physical limitations support this. Kyle is bridging the gap before Grier is ready.

[Mvp2014]

his deep ball sucks.  need to draft a qb

[Proudiddy]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Moving on from Newton doesn't necessarily mean handing the job to Allen.

That's only one option.

True, but it seems like the option the franchise would be electing for, if we do indeed move on from Cam after this season.

Unless Grier grows leaps and bounds in a year, because the other option is picking another guy in the late teens-twenties.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

True, but it seems like the option the franchise would be electing for, if we do indeed move on from Cam after this season.

Unless Grier grows leaps and bounds in a year, because the other option is picking another guy in the late teens-twenties.

Allen becoming the best he can be is the most beneficial scenario for the team.

Grier proving to be starter worthy is arguably equal, or at the very least second best.

If neither of those things happens, then you've gotta start from scratch with a new guy. That's doable, but it's harder.

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Mark my words, if we hadn Kyle the job and move on from Cam, we will be looking for a new QB in another 2-3 years. 

If Cam is healthy, and stays healthy, he has another 5-10 years of high-level football left.  Kyle is a very, very short-term solution.

don't totally disagree with that.  But would need to reel that in some.  Cam Newton is 30.  He isn't going to be playing at 40 let alone at a high level at 40.   He doesn't play the type of football that would allow that. 

[ncfan]

 

[Proudiddy]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

don't totally disagree with that.  But would need to reel that in some.  Cam Newton is 30.  He isn't going to be playing at 40 let alone at a high level at 40.   He doesn't play the type of football that would allow that. 

I'm thinking that after healing from this injury, he would start to change his game to allow for more longevity...  I always thought Cam would follow a similar path in terms of play style as Randall Cunningham did.  Both were freakish athletes, but as Randall got older, he became a fantastic pocket passer.  The whole premise though relies on Cam being healthy in order to do so.  And IIRC, Randall played into his late 30s, almost 40.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I'm thinking that after healing from this injury, he would start to change his game to allow for more longevity...  

Wasn't Norv Turner already trying to do that though?

My concern would be that they might have started on that project a little too late.

[trueblade]

49 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Mark my words, if we hadn Kyle the job and move on from Cam, we will be looking for a new QB in another 2-3 years. 

If Cam is healthy, and stays healthy, he has another 5-10 years of high-level football left.  Kyle is a very, very short-term solution.

That's incredibly optimistic. As much as I hope you're right, my go-to evaluation for future situations is 'what's most likely to happen." Cam playing 5-10 more years of high-level football isn't it.