Baker Mayfield or Kyle Allen

[HPPantherzfan]

I think what he meant was that was just this season, before Allens first game, many people said he was going to get killed behind this very same line because he isn't mobile like Cam is and Cam got hurt.

[mc52beast]

 Browns gave Baker multiple high end weapons, there is no excuse why that offense shouldn’t be top 10. Maybe he’s going thru his sophomore slump and rebounds next year. Personally I don’t like him, he acts like someone who has won multiple SB’s and hasn’t done jack.

[philit99]

NFL film destroys NFL players careers. Once a team learns your weaknesses, you had better adjust or you are out of a job. Did anyone notice Kyle Allen rolling out more this past game? If he pump faked a time or two he could be deadly. The pump fake has disappeared, and in the NFL it is lethal.

[Sgt Schultz]

Cleveland is a QB graveyard for a reason.  They are so desperate for a legitimate, long-term solution, they worship anybody new until they don't.  It was probably the worst environment possible for a guy like Manziel, and it may be the downfall of Mayfield, too. 

I agree, we may be seeing Mayfield's sophomore slump.  I remember Dak Prescott's second year as the Cowboys starter, and their fans wanted him traded, shot, the body burned at the stake, and the ashes collect in a can and given to NASA to ship into space.  "Patience Grasshopper."

The problem the Browns have is for whatever reason, their young QBs never seem to emerge from the sophomore slump.

[Mr. Scot]

Someone on Twitter pointed out that Mayfield has the worst passer rating in the league when not under pressure.

Read that again, when not under pressure.

And yes, it's worse than Kyle Allen's, something like twelve points worse. Throw in that he has Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry to throw to.

Ouch 

[The Huddler]

21 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Who has better receivers?

another note....  this is like saying if you put the shell of a lamborgini on the body of a ford fucus, you should win the race. 

 

great receivers is the last piece you need to be successful.. if the play calls suck and you have no time to throw, "better" receivers are of no use to you

 

the "who has better recievers" is just lazy and straw man

[CRA]

10 hours ago, WOW!! said:

No the fug Alex Smith didn't.. Show me the 50 passing TD 5,000 yard season from Alex smith?? Please..

I said in the post you quoted Smith is a game manager.  He isn't going to put up #1 fantasy player stats.   That isn't the the discussion.  The discussion is team success. 

You want me to tell you what an Andy Reid team most likely will  do any given season?  

win 10-12 games.  then lose in the playoffs. You can insert a game manager, a solid Pro Bowl QB or have a magical no look alternate hand throwing Superstar.