Anyone else concerned?

[sharkkiller]

2 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Gano? You’re joking right?

you do realize we didn’t even attempt kicks Slye is attempting with Gano and he’s a rookie and he’s not injured AND he’s paid in gummy bears.

come on man. It’s not the same thing.

 The anyone should be pissed about anything it’s the incompetent staff letting Butker go.

Really? 63 yard game winner ring a bell? But don't let your hatred and bias skew your memory or anything. Gano is a better kicker, hands down.

And Butker and Gano are a wash as far as performance go. The only thing that was in Butker's favor was salary, and that will change big time in a few years. You get a competent kicker, you pay them.

[TheRed]

 

32 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

So far, there is absolutely nothing that Slye has done, that we were not getting from Gano. The hatred for Gano is just amazing here.

 

10 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

Really? 63 yard game winner ring a bell? But don't let your hatred and bias skew your memory or anything. Gano is a better kicker, hands down.

And Butker and Gano are a wash as far as performance go. The only thing that was in Butker's favor was salary, and that will change big time in a few years. You get a competent kicker, you pay them.

One kicker is healthy and on a league minimum rookie contract, the other has a bum knee and is amongst the highest paid at his position and will be 33 next year.

Gano's time with the Panthers is pretty much up no matter what happens unless he's willing to take a substantial paycut . If Slye can't do the job, we will bring in someone else for a reasonably comparable contract.

I really don't understand how a fanbase that hasn't even witnessed back to back winning seasons is so eager to keep overpaying for a struggling kicker like Gano. Do you guys actually want to win?

[sharkkiller]

Just now, TheRed said:

 

 

One kicker is healthy and on a league minimum rookie contract, the other has a bum knee and is amongst the highest paid at his position and will be 33 next year.

Gano's time with the Panthers is pretty much up no matter what happens unless he's willing to take a substantial paycut . If Slye can't do the job, we will bring in someone else for a reasonably comparable contract.

I really don't understand how a fanbase that hasn't even witnessed back to back winning seasons is so eager to keep overpaying for a struggling kicker like Gano. Do you guys actually want to win?

If Gano does not come back 100% next year, then by all means look for someone else. But if he is 100% healthy, then you keep him. Otherwise you turn into the Bears. There is no need for him to take a pay cut. He is reliable, or at least as reliable if not more so than Slye, or anyone else you can bring in. Look at the drafted kickers in recent years. Light it up in college, get drafted, and can't make a 45 yard kick to save their life.

That we are even having this discussion, just shows how some are determined to find fault with every thing this staff does. It is getting to be pretty damn ridiculous.

[ncsfinest21]

There is more upside to keeping Slye still. He is a rookie with a great leg. His accuracy will improve as he gets more kicks. But the leg is unteachable.

[BlazeCarolina]

3 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

If Gano does not come back 100% next year, then by all means look for someone else. But if he is 100% healthy, then you keep him. Otherwise you turn into the Bears. There is no need for him to take a pay cut. He is reliable, or at least as reliable if not more so than Slye, or anyone else you can bring in. Look at the drafted kickers in recent years. Light it up in college, get drafted, and can't make a 45 yard kick to save their life.

That we are even having this discussion, just shows how some are determined to find fault with every thing this staff does. It is getting to be pretty damn ridiculous.

Shark, I love the enthusiasm, but what we get with Slye that we don't have with Gano is confidence.  As has been stated before in this thread, we are attempting kicks we would have never attempted with Gano.

What has Slye done that makes you think he can't do the job?

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

If Gano does not come back 100% next year, then by all means look for someone else. But if he is 100% healthy, then you keep him. Otherwise you turn into the Bears. There is no need for him to take a pay cut. He is reliable, or at least as reliable if not more so than Slye, or anyone else you can bring in. Look at the drafted kickers in recent years. Light it up in college, get drafted, and can't make a 45 yard kick to save their life.

That we are even having this discussion, just shows how some are determined to find fault with every thing this staff does. It is getting to be pretty damn ridiculous.

I haven't heard anything recent about the knee so I can't speak to where he is health wise at this moment. But I do remember before the season reading that he couldn't even put weight on it or walk out onto the field. That specifically is what facilitated us bringing in Slye, not some hidden agenda that you perceive to be at play. The knee is concerning, and when considering age it doesn't seem like a good idea to keep making a significant investment.

None of this is even mentioning how many free agents and tough decisions we have to make in 2020. Do you really think we have much cap space to keep splurging on an aging kicker? We also have CMC who will be up for another contract before we know it, especially if he keeps performing at a high level. Again, there are much more pressing concerns than kicker.

[onmyown]

3 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

Really? 63 yard game winner ring a bell? But don't let your hatred and bias skew your memory or anything. Gano is a better kicker, hands down.

And Butker and Gano are a wash as far as performance go. The only thing that was in Butker's favor was salary, and that will change big time in a few years. You get a competent kicker, you pay them.

I’m not talking about attempting Hail Mary kicks out of desperation. I’m talking about 40-55 yarders we avoided like the plague with Gano. Gano better be the better kicker  I mean he played for a decade and he was paid as the best though he preformed much lower than paid. All those things create context and I’d take Slye right now over Gano.

[sharkkiller]

1 minute ago, BlazeCarolina said:

Shark, I love the enthusiasm, but what we get with Slye that we don't have with Gano is confidence.  As has been stated before in this thread, we are attempting kicks we would have never attempted with Gano.

What has Slye done that makes you think he can't do the job?

I am not saying Slye can't do the job. I am saying that Gano is a better kicker with a proven strong leg. People seem to forget that a lot of his misses last year were on a bad plant leg. A season on IR will fix that.

The lack of confidence in Gano is what I don't understand. People say that they don't trust Rivera about anything, then turn around and say that because he did not kick a long field goal, that it must have been Gano's fault. Which is it?

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, onmyown said:

I’m not talking about attempting Hail Mary kicks out of desperation. I’m talking about 40-55 yarders we avoided like the plague with Gano. Gano better be the better kicker  I mean he played for a decade and he was paid as the best though he preformed much lower than paid. All those things create context and I’d take Slye right now over Gano.

Why is having confidence in him a good thing, if he's not converting on those field goals?  He's 9/15 from 40+ yards.  That's like saying Rivera has confidence in Daryl Williams at LT so we should praise Daryl Williams and ignore all his whiffed blocks.

[thefuzz]

No one hates Graham Gano.

Everyone should hate sticking with him over Butker, then doubling down and overpaying him like the top kicker in the league.

As they should, and should any fan who understand positional value, and the salary cap.

[BlazeCarolina]

14 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

I am not saying Slye can't do the job. I am saying that Gano is a better kicker with a proven strong leg. People seem to forget that a lot of his misses last year were on a bad plant leg. A season on IR will fix that.

The lack of confidence in Gano is what I don't understand. People say that they don't trust Rivera about anything, then turn around and say that because he did not kick a long field goal, that it must have been Gano's fault. Which is it?

Personally, I am tired of Gano.  I thought it was time to move on when Butker showed up.  It left a bad taste in my mouth.  With Gano, recent memories are of being nervous on every kick.  I remember clearly saying going into this season that I would much rather watch Joey miss than Gano miss.

We have plenty of season left to see what we have in Joey, and I vote we postpone this discussion.  Joey also made a pretty good tackle Sunday.  Just sayin' lol

[MasterAwesome]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I haven't heard anything recent about the knee so I can't speak to where he is health wise at this moment. But I do remember before the season reading that he couldn't even put weight on it or walk out onto the field. That specifically is what facilitated us bringing in Slye, not some hidden agenda that you perceive to be at play. The knee is concerning, and when considering age it doesn't seem like a good idea to keep making a significant investment.

None of this is even mentioning how many free agents and tough decisions we have to make in 2020. Do you really think we have much cap space to keep splurging on an aging kicker? We also have CMC who will be up for another contract before we know it, especially if he keeps performing at a high level. Again, there are much more pressing concerns than kicker.

Why do you keep making prognoses on his injury?  It's weird cause I know you'd flip out if someone applied your rationale to Cam, and rightfully so cause it'd be just as silly.

"We've seen Cam limping and he even admitted to not being able to run on his foot, even during pregame warmups.  So he's 30+ years old coming off a bum ankle making millions of dollars...we should just cut him and go with the cheaper replacement, even if we get less production".

Gano is coming off a vague knee injury to his plant leg, not even his kicking leg.  He gets an entire year on IR to recover from it, and 33 years old is not old for a kicker so I don't know why you keep emphasizing that he's 33 like he's about to fall off a cliff.  Many kickers are successful into their late 30s and even early 40s.

How about we wait until next year and see how Gano performs in preseason, yeah?

[BlazeCarolina]

To add to the argument, in 2017, Gano's longest field goal was 48 yards.  He missed 3 PATs.  Use this for whichever side you are on, haha.

[JawnyBlaze]

Would still rather have Slye than Gano. Stats lie