What is Kyle Allen’s ceiling?

[WoahW]

@Snake don’t run away now boy, or are you afraid your answers will reveal the true poo you’re pulling?

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mav1234 said:

heh, true. 

For a long time, Rivera followed the Buddy Ryan model. Get a super athletic quarterback and trust him to make two or three big plays a game while your defense handles the rest.

It didn't win Ryan any championships. And while he's gotten closer than Ryan, it hasn't won Rivera any either.

That approach ended when we hired Norv Turner.

(and thank God it did)

[lightsout]

2 hours ago, NAS said:

I think we have already seen the ceiling. A good QB who can win you games if you have a solid defense and running game. I don’t see him ever being able to be an elite QB who can put the team on his back and be the main reason for victory. 

 

There are like, 5-8 of those in the league right now. Allen never has to be that. He does have to be more consistent deep and possess a clutch gene. He has shown flashes of being able to be clutch on third and medium-to-long, but not really been in the "need a score at the end of the half" position just yet.

[Proudiddy]

26 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Career trajectory could be, although Allen has started off significantly better than Moore did, but the team may also be better than what Moore started with.

As to similarity in playstyle... Moore didn't have a huge canon or anything, and it may be the offense we ran back then, but he always seemed to try to get huge chunks.  Perhaps I am misremembering though.  It is strikingly similar though, how our coaching staff played an injured QB too long, cost us some wins, and many of us were left wondering "what if" when Moore finally took over.  Then he stunk the next year, Fox was on his way out, and the team fell off the rails completely... Could be VERY similar to Kyle Allen... 

But Moore looked pretty good for KC the last couple weeks all things considered.  Glad to see he is having some success in that QB-friendly system.

Yeah, the way you laid out Moore's career arc was really what I was thinking of...  that's kind of the ceiling I imagine for Allen.  But, then again, I always felt that if he had the right system, personnel, and coaches around him, Moore could've been a really good starter in the league...  instead, in part because of his circumstances, he always just ended up as sort of a stop-gap/good backup guy.  Imagine if he had been given a chance to hold the current KC job long-term, in his prime...  or even just in a similar system like with Reid, Pederson in Philly, Reich, or hell, I think he'd even be a better long-term option in Chicago than what they currently have.

All that being said...  yup, he and Allen are following an eerily similar path.  And I agree, Moore did always seem to find those big chunk plays in contrast with Allen...  and while neither has a cannon, I do think Moore just had better anticipation and touch on the deep ball at least. 

[GoobyPls]

Even watching todays game you really can't say Allen is better than Tannehill.

[Jeremy Igo]

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Even watching todays game you really can't say Allen is better than Tannehill.

One is essentially a UDFA rookie, the other is a first round vet.

Yet it's pretty close. 

[davos]

I'm going to go with somewhere between Matt Hassleback and Brian Griese. 

[Jeremy Igo]

I'm going to go somewhere between Jimmy Clausen and Tom Brady 

[davos]

5 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I'm going to go somewhere between Jimmy Clausen and Tom Brady 

Brian St. Pierre and Joe Montana?

[GoobyPls]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

One is essentially a UDFA rookie, the other is a first round vet.

Yet it's pretty close. 

first round vet that no one considerers a franchise QB. And got benched for Brock Osweiler 

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

first round vet that no one considerers a franchise QB. And got benched for Brock Osweiler 

nobody is saying that Kyle Allen right now is a franchise qb.  or... nobody reasonable.  but he is playing very well for a young, UDFA backup... who barely played in college too.  he is playing as well as some veterans which is impressive.

[fortyrod]

He had some obvious misfires and doesn't seem to get a lot on the ball, but I was pleased that he came out of last weeks disaster with reasonably good composure. And he somehow held on to that one sure-to-be-a-fumble ball, so there's that. I didn't see him staring down routes as much this week either. I think he can get to his second read fairly quickly at this point. Next week he gets to go back in the grinder.

[SBiii]

The roof...

[Peon Awesome]

Among contemporaries, I could see him getting to the level of someone like Phillip Rivers, Dak Prescott or Kirk Cousins. Not the first names you think of when deciding who are the best quarterbacks in the game right now but people who might have a handful of pro-bowl appearances to their name when all is said and done. I think it's more likely than not he doesn't quite get there but as far as ceilings go, that seems pretty reasonable.