The possibilities if Cam is IR’d

[Cary Kollins]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does your got guarantee that Hurney and company are still around to make that decision?

(I'd say that's not a given)

 

Too early to tell. If we see a total collapse like last season they are gone imo. If the team is competitive and is .500 or better I imagine they'll be back. In that case I think Tepper would take into account that the starting QB went out with a devastating foot injury from the preseason. If they do win more games it will be because of the defense which would have largely been improved from last year thanks to Hurney and Rivera's moves.

 

A lot of if's and buts in that explanation but all that to say it just depends how the season plays out.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Krovvy said:

Pay him, duh?

If This were anybody else, I'd call that a huge gamble and more than likely a decision made out of emotion rather than logic.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Too early to tell. If we see a total collapse like last season they are gone imo. If the team is competitive and is .500 or better I imagine they'll be back. In that case I think Tepper would take into account that the starting QB went out with a devastating foot injury from the preseason. If they do win more games it will be because of the defense which would have largely been improved from last year thanks to Hurney and Rivera's moves.

A lot of if's and buts in that explanation but all that to say it just depends how the season plays out.

I'm not that certain the defense is actually improved, especially not after watching that last game. I think it's more likely we just beast it on some bad teams.

And honestly, I don't think even 500 saves them.

[Cary Kollins]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Take a look at some of the factors involved here:

Over thirty...

Twenty million dollar cap figure...

Hasn't been healthy in years...

Got injured this year in preseason on what was an average play...

Even if he gets healthy, major questions about his ability to stay healthy...

Valid questions about how much longer he can play...

...

If you were looking at all those factors on any other team, what would you expect them to do?

What would you advise that they should do?

 

Even still, his contract next year of $20 mill has Cam as the 16th highest paid QB in the league behind the likes of Nick Foles, David Carr, Alex Smith etc. And that isn't even counting extensions QBs will sign next year.

Taking all of that into account and the risk of rolling with Cam isn't so bad considering the alternative of starting over with a complete unknown.

[Krovvy]

Just now, Cary Kollins said:

 

Even still, his contract next year of $20 mill has Cam as the 16th highest paid QB in the league behind the likes of Nick Foles, David Carr, Alex Smith etc. And that isn't even counting extensions QBs will sign next year.

Taking all of that into account and the risk of rolling with Cam isn't so bad considering the alternative of starting over with a complete unknown.

It's really a bargain contract. After the cap is raised this off-season it's going to be almost negligible.

Maybe you'll get one very good player for the value of that contract, that's it. Which won't help this team lose enough to acquire a high pick to find a new quarterback.

[Krovvy]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If This were anybody else, I'd call that a huge gamble and more than likely a decision made out of emotion rather than logic.

It's not really a gamble though. I think you're not seeing how negligible his contract is. The cap is already bloated, and it's about to jump again.

It's really not that much savings. At best you're looking to acquire one elite, maybe two good — maybe, players out of the cap savings. Does that really help the team? If Cam is done we need a new quarterback, and signing guys to help the team hit 8-8 next season isn't going to help.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Cary Kollins said:

Even still, his contract next year of $20 mill has Cam as the 16th highest paid QB in the league behind the likes of Nick Foles, David Carr, Alex Smith etc. And that isn't even counting extensions QBs will sign next year.

Taking all of that into account and the risk of rolling with Cam isn't so bad considering the alternative of starting over with a complete unknown.

I'd call it too big a risk.

Now, knowing how Rivera feels about players ending their careers on their own terms, I think if Ron and Marty are back then Newton has a much better chance of sticking around and getting a year to prove himself.

New regime? Doubt it. Another year of Ron and Marty though? Possible.

But even with that in mind, Ron and Marty would be staking their futures to Cam getting healthy again.

Would you bet your career on that right now?

[Cary Kollins]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

 

But even with that in mind, Ron and Marty would be staking their futures to Cam getting healthy again.

Would you bet your career on that right now?

 

I don't think Ron has a choice. He's bet his entire career on Cam already to the point he rode him into this injury ridden mess. I don't see any scenario where it makes sense to keep Hurney and Ron if you're going to give them the mandate to start over with a new franchise QB.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

I don't think Ron has a choice. He's bet his entire career on Cam already to the point he rode him into this injury ridden mess. I don't see any scenario where it makes sense to keep Hurney and Ron if you're going to give them the mandate to start over with a new franchise QB.

Well, if you keep Marty and Ron, you're probably leaving that decision in their hands.

if you mandate keeping Newton, you're talking about a quarterback who only made it through half a season last year and didn't even get out of preseason healthy this year.

Anything's possible, but if that's my career and my money on the line, I'm not taking that gamble.

And frankly, if you take the emotion out of it, I doubt very many of us would.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd call it too big a risk.

Now, knowing how Rivera feels about players ending their careers on their own terms, I think if Ron and Marty are back then Newton has a much better chance of sticking around and getting a year to prove himself.

New regime? Doubt it. Another year of Ron and Marty though? Possible.

But even with that in mind, Ron and Marty would be staking their futures to Cam getting healthy again.

Would you bet your career on that right now?

I'm not sure they have a choice right now. On paper, this defense doesn't have any real holes but gave up a 50 burger to the 49ers. Though a good all around team, they shouldn't be scoring 50 on a good defense with Jimmy G at the helm. Shanahan had Luke lost, and so the defense went to crap. Rivera is not a good enough schemer/adjuster to overcome Luke not being dominant. 

Ron and Marty NEED Cam to save their jobs. Though personally think Marty is doing a good job of bringing in talent at respectable contracts. The problem is coaching and playcalling. Always has been with Ron, and likely always will be. Hindsight being what it is, he was never the right coach for Cam. He's just too conservative and really never put a premium on offense - until it was too late.

Though an argument against Marty could be simply that Cam has shown that with a good o-line, he doesn't need superstar skills players. He just needs protection. Not even great protection, just good. Marty should have used as many resources as possible to ensure that happened, before addressing anything else. I know that comes off as me being a Cam stan, but I'm really not. That's actually an objective view. 

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, if you keep Marty and Ron, you're probably leaving that decision in their hands.

if you mandate keeping Newton, you're talking about a quarterback who only made it through half a season last year and didn't even get out of preseason healthy this year.

Anything's possible, but if that's my career and my money on the line, I'm not taking that gamble.

And frankly, if you take the emotion out of it, I doubt very many of us would.

Curious... is it possible to part ways with Cam next season without taking the full season's cap hit? Meaning, if they trade/cut him in week 6 of next season, are they on the hook for the full $20M? Or do they just pay for the games he's played? Sorry if that comes off silly, but I really have no idea. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Navy_football said:

Curious... is it possible to part ways with Cam next season without taking the full season's cap hit? Meaning, if they trade/cut him in week 6 of next season, are they on the hook for the full $20M? Or do they just pay for the games he's played? Sorry if that comes off silly, but I really have no idea. 

Veteran salaries become guaranteed if they're on the roster opening day.

[CBDellinger]

Who are they gonna go out and sign to replace him?  How much will that cost?  How viable will they be as long term option?

When you answer those questions its easy to see why letting Cam play out the last year of his contract is the most likely scenario, regardless of the regime.  

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CBDellinger said:

Who are they gonna go out and sign to replace him?  How much will that cost?  How viable will they be as long term option?

When you answer those questions its easy to see why letting Cam play out the last year of his contract is the most likely scenario, regardless of the regime.  

New regimes pretty frequently start out by getting their own quarterback.

There's also the possibility that you get a coach for whom Newton doesn't fit his system.