Steve Smith Rips into Panthers WRs, "They may draft a WR in the 1st this year that will actually give good effort"

[BrizzMachete]

19 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Julio Jones is fast and gifted,...

but “best wide receiver ever?

 

So he’s not in the equation at all ? Don’t answer that as a panthers fan use logic 

[cbully]

11 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I really think it would take Steve Smith himself to get good numbers out of Kyle Allen...I mean Dj is on pace for 1k, he isnt as bad as people on here are saying and seriousely just wait till Cam is back and actually gets the ball to him.

Also let me say Moore isn't garbage but I thought we drafted him because of his ability after the catch. It seems that something is off with his timing and lack of effort of some pass thrown to him. I think Samuel is more polished for a legit #2 WR. I get Moore is on course for 1k but  he's just not impressive as hoped for. This could also point towards Norv as well. Hell it could be  Allen issue. He seems to not see Greg Olsen anymore. smh

[cbully]

3 minutes ago, BrizzMachete said:

So he’s not in the equation at all ? Don’t answer that as a panthers fan use logic 

in spite of injuries he smokes our entire receiving wr line up. Julio is a legit WR even when hurt. Thomas is slightly better though as he has great hands and route abilities. 

[Matt62881]

6 minutes ago, cbully said:

Also let me say Moore isn't garbage but I thought we drafted him because of his ability after the catch. It seems that something is off with his timing and lack of effort of some pass thrown to him. I think Samuel is more polished for a legit #2 WR. I get Moore is on course for 1k but  he's just not impressive as hoped for. This could also point towards Norv as well. Hell it could be  Allen issue. He seems to not see Greg Olsen anymore. smh

Exactly, all you have to do is look at greg olsens frustrations when he is wide open, he may continue to play hard for that bs but alot of players wont. Last i saw of Dj were amazing flashes of his vertical, going over top of dbs and pulling the ball down. He constantly, when given the chance, wins one on ones despite his size. He is verybexplosive and only in year 2 but I think he will be something special.

[*FreeFua*]

Thomas better than Julio? LOL

Julio is arguably the best ever. You’d have to be a legit retard not to think so. Hell, even Larry Fitzgerald thinks so. 
 

[Car123]

12 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Thomas better than Julio? LOL

Julio is arguably the best ever. You’d have to be a legit retard not to think so. Hell, even Larry Fitzgerald thinks so. 
 

Please.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

19 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Thomas better than Julio? LOL

Julio is arguably the best ever. You’d have to be a legit retard not to think so. Hell, even Larry Fitzgerald thinks so. 
 

What. He's not even the best WR of the 21st century. Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson ring a bell?

[*FreeFua*]

12 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Please.

 

4 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

What. He's not even the best WR of the 21st century. Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson ring a bell?

[BrizzMachete]

30 minutes ago, cbully said:

in spite of injuries he smokes our entire receiving wr line up. Julio is a legit WR even when hurt. Thomas is slightly better though as he has great hands and route abilities. 

Thomas may be equal to him right now but overall hell nah he got more to do . But that’s not outlandish to say . I was big on Michael Thomas coming out the draft . I doubt we even brought him in for a pre draft interview tho smh 

[Dragoon11]

4 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I honestly don’t know how well they are against man, I gotta look at all 22 in order for me to give a solid opinion. 
 
I think it’s unfair to Samuel who has scorched dbs repeatedly all year but either gets under thrown or overthrown.

moore has been solid all year since the fumbles

I agree, and I think it is short-sighted of SS to say this about our young receivers. We all saw the play Moore had against the Cardinals where he out ran every Cardinal in the secondary for a TD. This kid has explosive potential and has shown it, the same thing can be said about Samuel, we saw it with him last year on more than one occasion. As far as effort... There is a lack of CONSISTENT effort on this team all across the board, they just cannot seem to stay hungry for greatness week after week. Our receivers have to be targeted enough to get better and make plays, they are NEVER able to get into rhythm. Our QB situation is all about dink and dunk/playing it safe to CMC with an occasional crossing route by Olsen, every once in a while the coaches will throw in a high percentage pass play designed for our receivers. You can't be a playmaker if you don't get consistent opportunities to do so. (there's that C word again, boy, it just seems to be a theme with this organization huh?) 

[weyco2000]

2 hours ago, BrizzMachete said:

You do realize he was a third option and playing behind the best wide receiver ever arguably right ? And put up way more touchdowns . Than dj he look better that’s why you hear it a lot 

Then you have to include garbage time stats also and the fact Moore is playing in a dialed down system with a backup QB.

[Dragoon11]

4 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

.....well first and foremost the point here is that flip flopping like that is ass. 

 

Secondly if that's the case no one is ever wrong about any player then. Because they can 'change' their mind about them after the fact. 

 

Thirdly, if you're labeling Moore as a 'bust' as of now in his second year, then you're not understanding positions or what the word bust actually means. This isn't geared towards you specifically, i'm saying this in general.  WR usually take longer to develop and make an impact. As of now Moore has been more on the average side than the bust side. For the year and half he's been here. I wouldn't label him a bust just yet, seems to me that Smith taking the hot take on this. The loss was horrible but the WR's were the least of the worries to be completely honest. 

Well look at that... Seems it actually took Steve Smith a little time to become "all out effort"

[Dragoon11]

4 hours ago, ellis said:

Not to mention, this is a zone scheme running team right now. And that still worked beautifully on Sunday. We told you guys all week that was the one area they could exploit v San Francisco in a close game. But the defense wasn’t up for the challenge. I came into this game putting very little emphasis on Kyle. Just needed to be a 20 pass attempts or less game. He has limitations, and he should because he’s a back up for a reason. You can’t “manage a game” when you’re down by 18 in the first half.

It amazes me how many analysts and people critical of Allen after this beatdown do not realize this. The Panthers game plan was dead after the first quarter, and like always there was no plan B from Ron and Norv. At that point all the Niners had to do was go all out with their front 4 with the pass rush, they could take chances on defense. Was freaking easy, I don't think any QB could have brought the Panthers back or even put up respectable numbers in that situation. If this had been a close game where Allen kept turning the ball over but the defense kept it close then I think the criticism of Allen would have been legit. Allen needs WAY, WAY more time to learn how to overcome these situations against this caliber of defense. The greatest QB's to ever play the game would have fared the same if it was during their first or second season as a young QB (heck, or even after 10 seasons.. lol). Even with a great QB, this team doesn't have enough of an identity or O-line to turn this type of game around. Panthers were one dimensional and done after the first quarter on offense.

[Dragoon11]

4 hours ago, onmyown said:

I keep saying oline oline oline.

Yea there are issues elsewhere but so many will be fixed by investing in the line. Well we have done that but I’m talking successfully. Put your due diligence in a oline. It’s proven teams who get to the big game have a top oline.

You can 100% bet any team with an oline ranked below 15 in the NFL is lucky to be in the playoffs and won’t make it to the super bowl.

Plenty of examples. Even our own 2015 team with not so great weapons and skill positions had #2 ranked oline and it made up for a ton.

Look no further than the Cowboys dynasty of the 90's.... Yes, was a different league then, but that core standard remains. Tom Brady and Drew Brees cannot pick teams apart if they only have, "one thousand one... " to pass.