Next coach!!

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

Indeed, it's something that would make me partially skeptical about hiring him though, honestly. He has very little (if any) experience in calling plays, so he'd certainly need an experienced set of coordinators under him. I say "very little/if any" because I don't know if he called plays in Miami at anypoint; I know he fired the OC at one point but not sure if he assumed those duties or if they were inherited by the QB/RB/OL coach.

See that's my thing. I'm not really looking for a head coach who calls plays. I'm looking for a head coach who'll hire somebody else to call plays so he can take care of the larger stuff.

The "larger stuff" is something Campbell actually does have experience doing.

[Iron Saint]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See that's my thing. I'm not really looking for a head coach who calls plays. I'm looking for a head coach who'll hire somebody else to call plays so he can take care of the larger stuff.

The "larger stuff" is something Campbell actually does have experience doing.

Indeed, that's fair enough. I guess most people are just enamored with their HC calling the plays, whether it be offense or defense, even if it's to the detriment of the team.

And agreed, that "larger stuff" he has is something most 1st time HC's don't have and have to learn on the job if the previous coaches they served under didn't have for them to learn while coming up.

[raz]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See that's my thing. I'm not really looking for a head coach who calls plays. I'm looking for a head coach who'll hire somebody else to call plays so he can take care of the larger stuff.

The "larger stuff" is something Campbell actually does have experience doing.

how is he going to evaluate the offense or defense if he doesn't have an 'acumen' for x's and o's?  that seriously sounds like code for dumb jock

[Prowler2019]

12 hours ago, raz said:

how is he going to evaluate the offense or defense if he doesn't have an 'acumen' for x's and o's?  that seriously sounds like code for dumb jock

It would be a big plus to get someone with that kind of playcaller experience but I'm not sure the lack of 'acumen' should necessarily disqualify someone from HC consideration. Look at Dabo Swinney - x's and o's are not his strong suit; he's primarily the CEO and front man of that team  - a great motivator and recruiter. But he's smart enough to have hired assistants that's helped that program run like a well-oiled machine even with the turnover on their roster. JMO 

[Prowler2019]

22 hours ago, mjligon said:

Ok I’m convinced.

lets get him

 

22 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not an absolute given that we're gonna be looking for a new head coach this offseason.

But if we are, this is absolutely the guy I hope we target, if for no other reason than that when I read about him, he just comes off as being so many things that Rivera isn't.

Great stuff Mr Scot.....we can only hope. I truly believe this team has hit the ceiling under Rivera. Nice guy but I just don't see this team being much more than average under his watch.

[Mr. Scot]

12 hours ago, raz said:

how is he going to evaluate the offense or defense if he doesn't have an 'acumen' for x's and o's?  that seriously sounds like code for dumb jock

Look back at the links I posted.

He gives the Saints an X's and O's type breakdown of their opponents on a weekly basis.

They seem to be doing okay.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Prowler2019 said:

Great stuff Mr Scot.....we can only hope. I truly believe this team has hit the ceiling under Rivera. Nice guy but I just don't see this team being much more than average under his watch.

I'd agree.

I think we've gone as far with Rivera as we possibly can.

There's still enough time for him to do something this season but I'm just not expecting it.

[LinvilleGorge]

I just think Ron and company might be out of ideas.

The whole "3-4" thing this off-season seemed sort of desperate IMO and it was done half assed. We got a lot faster and a lot lighter on the edges, but we didn't go out and get the 290+ pound DE/DT hybrid 5 techniques that make a 3-4 work. We only have two DEs on the roster who are 260+. 

The whole thing looked like a disaster against the run from jump street and that's exactly how it has played out on the field. We need Cam back at his best to have any real shot of making some noise. This defense can protect a lead because it can rush the passer with an opportunistic secondary, but it's very susceptible to getting the ball crammed down it's throat.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just think Ron and company might be out of ideas.

The whole "3-4" thing this off-season seemed sort of desperate IMO and it was done half assed. We got a lot faster and a lot lighter on the edges, but we didn't go out and get the 290+ pound DE/DT hybrid 5 techniques that make a 3-4 work. We only have two DEs on the roster who are 260+. 

The whole thing looked like a disaster against the run from jump street and that's exactly how it has played out on the field. We need Cam back at his best to have any real shot of making some noise. This defense can protect a lead because it can rush the passer with an opportunistic secondary, but it's very susceptible to getting the ball crammed down it's throat.

 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just think Ron and company might be out of ideas.

The whole "3-4" thing this off-season seemed sort of desperate IMO and it was done half assed. We got a lot faster and a lot lighter on the edges, but we didn't go out and get the 290+ pound DE/DT hybrid 5 techniques that make a 3-4 work. We only have two DEs on the roster who are 260+. 

The whole thing looked like a disaster against the run from jump street and that's exactly how it has played out on the field. We need Cam back at his best to have any real shot of making some noise. This defense can protect a lead because it can rush the passer with an opportunistic secondary, but it's very susceptible to getting the ball crammed down it's throat.

No argument, but one question did I suspect I'm not the only one asking...

Are we really even using the 3-4 all that much? I get the sense the majority of the defensive snaps are still being run out of a base 4-3.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No argument, but one question did I suspect I'm not the only one asking...

Are we really even using the 3-4 all that much? I get the sense the majority of the defensive snaps are still being run out of a base 4-3.

We aren't, but I see what Ron was talking about in terms of incorporating more 3-4 concepts. Those concepts being lighter, faster edge rushers, but it's tough stopping the run with 250 pounders playing DE. We could really use some Wes Horton types right now.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We aren't, but I see what Ron was talking about in terms of incorporating more 3-4 concepts. Those concepts being lighter, faster edge rushers, but it's tough stopping the run with 250 pounders playing DE. We could really use some Wes Horton types right now.

I listened to the interview with Greg Cosell and actually got a little infuriated.

Cosell pointed out that what the 49ers did to us is actually just the same thing that they've done every game this year. Nothing special, just their usual MO.

Knowing that, plus the fact that Rivera should know what Shanahan does like the back of his hand by now, I could have understood if we had just lost the game.

The fact that we got run up and down the field though? That's just inexcusable.

[raz]

38 minutes ago, Prowler2019 said:

It would be a big plus to get someone with that kind of playcaller experience but I'm not sure the lack of 'acumen' should necessarily disqualify someone from HC consideration. Look at Dabo Swinney - x's and o's are not his strong suit; he's primarily the CEO and front man of that team  - a great motivator and recruiter. But he's smart enough to have hired assistants that's helped that program run like a well-oiled machine even with the turnover on their roster. JMO 

we don't get to recruit, and the turnover on our roster isn't getting constantly refilled by the best players in the country.  and dabo has a story that is 1 in ten million that helps him in that recruiting.   instead of that we need someone who can recognize talent and has a staff to develop it.   i'm not revolting if muscle milk manly man becomes the head coach, but is there one example of such a guy being a successful head coach in the nfl.   i don't think there is.  he got run out of miami for being literally insane.   he seems much better suited to have someone over him who can keep him in bounds. not a thing in the world wrong with that but i think y'all are overestimating his head coach chances.  i don't think anyone wants the possibility of that shitshow on their doorstep.  look at what happened with schianno.  that's the 2nd chance a guy like campbell got and miserably failed at.   

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, raz said:

we don't get to recruit, and the turnover on our roster isn't getting constantly refilled by the best players in the country.  and dabo has a story that is 1 in ten million that helps him in that recruiting.   instead of that we need someone who can recognize talent and has a staff to develop it.   i'm not revolting if muscle milk manly man becomes the head coach, but is there one example of such a guy being a successful head coach in the nfl.   i don't think there is.  he got run out of miami for being literally insane.   he seems much better suited to have someone over him who can keep him in bounds. not a thing in the world wrong with that but i think y'all are overestimating his head coach chances.  i don't think anyone wants the possibility of that shitshow on their doorstep.  look at what happened with schianno.  that's the 2nd chance a guy like campbell got and miserably failed at.   

Campbell is definitely not Schiano.