Plenty of teams interested in Newton trade...

[ellis]

5 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

yeah you don't hear other teams clamoring for allen for a reason

He has five NFL starts. The logical reason you’re not hearing any clamoring.

 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, ellis said:

He has five NFL starts. The logical reason you’re not hearing any clamoring.

Well, apparently you can now bet on it.

I swear, people will gamble over just about anything 

(no, i wouldn't place a bet; way too much still up in the air at this point)

[ellis]

It’s a small sample size. I’m happy with what I’ve seen so far. This week is a big test.
 

Also: can’t wait to see Newton back healthy. Norv can do some pretty remarkable things in the misdirection game with Cam at 100%. 

[Happy Panther]

52 minutes ago, ellis said:

Me, trying to figure out it if I am one of those “Twitter guys”

Oh yeah!

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

point being that if the league doesn't value him to that degree based off of these 5 starts then maybe those in this fan base who think allen actually opens up the playbook (lol) should uhh tap the brakes a bit

Allen opens up different parts of the playbook.  That isn’t a Cam diss.  They are very different players with very different strengths and weaknesses. 

I also think the folks have totally misunderstood the Tampa coach.  Cam Newton is a known commodity.  It would be easier for the Miami Dolphins to game plan vs Tom Brady than Uncle Rico.   That doesn’t mean Uncle Rico is better than Tom Brady.  Coaches see Brady twice a year simply know what he is and what he does.  Know his strengths and weaknesses backward and forwards.  Game plan is easier.  How Brady reacts to different looks and pressures is more predictable. Uncle Rico doesn’t have a decade plus of tape they have studied for years. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ellis said:

It’s a small sample size. I’m happy with what I’ve seen so far. This week is a big test.

Also: can’t wait to see Newton back healthy. Norv can do some pretty remarkable things in the misdirection game with Cam at 100%. 

You and I had this debate for a few weeks 

Earliest estimates for a potential Newton return right now seem to be the Packers game or the first Falcons game, though nothing seems set in concrete.

Voth seems to indicate that at least for now, it'll continue to be a slow process.

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

yeah you don't hear other teams clamoring for allen for a reason

Maybe it could be that with no exact timetable for Newton's return, no team in their right mind is going to trade their 2nd string QB, to start their 3rd string developmental QB and hope all goes well while Cam continues to rehab from his injuries.

[ellis]

For the record, I’m not a believer that he’s “opened up” the playbook. They’re running less read option stuff, obviously. The team is just focusing on different concepts at this point, to fit a player’s strengths. It’s a sensible approach.

There’s much more of a commitment to a zone scheme running game, which has opened up a wealth of chunk plays for McCaffrey. A lot of people have complained that Ian Thomas is not a big part of the game plan. A big part of that is the recommitment to the running game, as well as 82’s ability in pass protection, which has improved dramatically. 

The fumbles were atrocious by Allen. He’s cleaned that up. He hasn’t thrown a pick, and he’s made some tough throws. He has a 99 yard drive on the road under his belt, and he’s undefeated as a starter. That’s good production.

And pointing that out doesn’t have to mean I hate Newton. Because, well, I don’t.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ellis said:

For the record, I’m not a believer that he opens up the playbook. They’re running less read option stuff, obviously.

There’s much more of a commitment to a zone scheme running game, which has opened up a wealth of chunk plays for McCaffrey. A lot of people have complained that Ian Thomas is not a big part of the game plan. A big part of that is the recommitment to the running game, as well as 82’s ability in pass protection, which has improved dramatically. 

The fumbles were atrocious by Allen. He’s cleaned that up. He hasn’t thrown a pick, and he’s made some tough throws. He has a 99 yard drive on the road under his belt, and he’s undefeated as a starter. That’s good production.

And pointing that out doesn’t have to mean I hate Newton. Because, well, I don’t.

You didn't realize that any acknowledgement of Kyle Allen being anything other than the worst quarterback in Panthers history means you must hate Cam Newton? 

[ellis]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You and I had this debate for a few weeks 

Earliest estimates for a potential Newton return right now seem to be the Packers game or the first Falcons game, though nothing seems set in concrete.

Voth seems to indicate that at least for now, it'll continue to be a slow process.

 

There’s no reason to rush the process. You have to protect your assets at this point, and Newton is a huge asset. The team lost seven games in a row down the stretch last year with Newton in the lineup at less than 100%. 

The team also has the luxury of a defense that is generating turnovers and not giving up big plays. That’s the real difference maker this year. Allen can take this team to the playoffs, and he doesn’t have to be an MVP-caliber player for that to happen. 

[Mr. Scot]

 

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Allen opens up different parts of the playbook.  That isn’t a Cam diss.  They are very different players with very different strengths and weaknesses. 

To be clear, what Breer said was that there are certain things they don't have to worry about (i.e. his taking hits in the running game). It's probably more about changing certain emphases than anything else.

He did, however, refute the notion that the coaches had in any way scaled back or limited the offense with Allen under center. Heck, elsewhere they've actually raved about his ability to pick things up quickly.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, ellis said:

There’s no reason to rush the process. You have to protect your assets at this point, and Newton is a huge asset. The team lost seven games in a row down the stretch last year with Newton in the lineup at less than 100%. 

The team also has the luxury of a defense that is generating turnovers and not giving up big plays. That’s the real difference maker this year. Allen can take this team to the playoffs, and he doesn’t have to be an MVP-caliber player for that to happen. 

I think that's the part that people have the hardest time understanding.

I've said before it's silly that people use "game manager" as an insult. The vast majority of quarterbacks in the league are primarily football distributors, and that includes many of the best in the game.

Under Shula, Rivera was running the offense using the old buddy Ryan method (couple of big plays a game and the defense takes care of the rest). We shifted out of that mode when Norv Turner took over, and it was a wise choice. Newton was a far more complete quarterback under Turner than he ever was under Shula.

But age and punishment have taken their toll on him, so here we are.

No, Kyle Allen isn't the kind of quarterback you want running a one man offense, but that's okay because we're not running a one man offense anymore.

[CRA]

As far as the playbook goes? Based on Ron’s comments? Based on this dude being wide open in some prior games and our opponent? 

My prediction is we see more Ian Thomas this week than we have to date. Norv flipping to some some of those pages 

[ellis]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No, Kyle Allen isn't the kind of quarterback you want running a one man offense, but that's okay because we're not running a one man offense anymore.

This.

By the way, the Buccaneers did good work shutting McCaffrey down in London. It still didn’t stop Carolina from scoring 37 points. And it didn’t lead to a wealth of takeaways against Allen. 

The defense created a ton of momentum with turnovers, and Kyle made good reads, throws and decisions against what is still a very good defense. 

You would like to see more production off seven turnovers, but again, Tampa’s defense is solid.