Plenty of teams interested in Newton trade...

[MasterAwesome]

34 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i would hope an nfl quarterback could hit his receiver in stride when he's only throwing the ball 5 yards. his depth of target, especially on completed passes, has not been good. he's being asked to do very little because he simply isn't good enough to do more. this is only a controversial statement to those with non-football motives. comparing allen to a guy like cam is not only insulting to fans of the sport but it does a tremendous disservice to allen.

You do know Cam hasn't exactly been a downfield passer in a while, right?  Both Cam and Allen have been playing the short game under Norv...his system calls for shorter, higher completion throws.  It's not some crazy mystery why Cam's completion percentage spiked so much last year before he got hurt.  I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of both of their throws have been within 10 yards.  Cam didn't even complete a 20-yard pass last season until Week 6.

[Happy Panther]

Kyle has thrown some very nice deep balls.

[iamhubby1]

    Kyles' play has absolutely put him in a position where he needs to be talked about as a long term solution. (Whether for us, or some other team.)

 

    But, he has also not played enough to be able to give a definitive analysis of what he can become.

 

    He perfectly personifies the phrase "Hurry up and wait". Because at this point in time, NOBODY knows what he is ultimately going to become. 

 

 

[micnificent28]

6 hours ago, raz said:

oh boy.  you have absolutely no idea what the purpose of facebook was/is.   none at all.  its a social engineering website.  i would encourage you to get off of it for your own good.   i also know how to take samples and talking to an 'average' person on the street is not how its done.   you couldn't know less about what you're talking about if you tried.  

I dont subscribe to crackpot theories weekly.. so unless you know something the rest of the world doesnt you need to take a seat sir.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

the thing is he doesn't appear to be in any other team's "discussion" as they're not really trying to make a move for him (and it surely isn't because allen is untouchable)

 

    Pure speculation on your part. 

 

    The Panthers are not going to trade him this year. Cam injuries will carry past the trade deadline. 

 

    That does not make Kyle "Untouchable", it makes it improbable.

 

    Edit to add. Only someone with their head in the sand can not see the attention Kyle is garnering. He is a hot topic right now. One way or another, that can be a good thing for us.

[LinvilleGorge]

At the end of the day,the mission statement of every for-profit company might as well be "make $$$$" because if you're not doing that then all that other window dressing doesn't matter because it won't be possible because you won't be around.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At the end of the day,the mission statement of every for-profit company might as well be "make $$$$" because if you're not doing that then all that other window dressing doesn't matter because it won't be possible because you won't be around.

Pretty much.

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, and with no apologies whatsoever...

If we win without Cam Newton, I'm not gonna feel bad about that.

If we win without Kyle Allen, I'm not gonna feel bad about that either.

If we win without Christian McCaffrey, also not gonna feel bad about that.

If we can win without Luke Kuechly, Greg Olsen, James Bradberry, Will Grier or pretty much any other name you want to throw in there, the answer is still the same.

Basically, if we're winning, I'm not going to feel sad because any certain player isn't part of that effort.

I might feel bad for them, but in the end it's truly all about the team.

[DeeJay]

You want cam?

14 1st found picks

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, and with no apologies whatsoever...

If we win without Cam Newton, I'm not gonna feel bad about that.

If we win without Kyle Allen, I'm not gonna feel bad about that either.

If we win without Christian McCaffrey, also not gonna feel bad about that.

If we can win without Luke Kuechly, Greg Olsen, James Bradberry, Will Grier or pretty much any other name you want to throw in there, the answer is still the same.

Basically, if we're winning, I'm not going to feel sad because any certain player isn't part of that effort.

I might feel bad for them, but in the end it's truly all about the team.

Honestly, I'd be curious to see if there's actually any real correlation between winning and franchise value in the NFL or even pro sports in general. The Cowboys are considered the most valuable franchises in the NFL and their recent track records are spotty at best. The Knicks have been downright terrible for a long time now and they're considered the most valuable NBA franchise and more valuable than any NFL team outside of the Cowboys.

Looking through the list of most valuable franchises, it seems to me like sports franchises work more similarly to real estate in that location is the primary driver of value. The shack in L.A. is more valuable than the mansion in Nebraska.

[Peppers90 NC]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

Here’s a great idea;

Lets trade Cam Newton and have Will Grier as our b/u qb if Kyle goes down.

Some people need to stop and think before posting 

This thread has nothing to do with actually trading Cam, it's not happening. OP felt it was necessary to suggest "plenty" of teams would trade for him despite not one has been publicly stated, just speculated by national media members to either prove that Cam is better than "a large portion/30%" of our fan base thinks because of "something" or possibly just out of sever insecurities. Then it just turned into another predictable Cam/Allen thread.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I'd be curious to see if there's actually any real correlation between winning and franchise value in the NFL or even pro sports in general. The Cowboys are considered the most valuable franchises in the NFL and their recent track records are spotty at best. The Knicks have been downright terrible for a long time now and they're considered the most valuable NBA franchise and more valuable than any NFL team outside of the Cowboys.

Looking through the list of most valuable franchises, it seems to me like sports franchises work more similarly to real estate in that location is the primary driver of value. The shack in L.A. is more valuable than the mansion in Nebraska.

To be fair, I'm going off what's more valuable as a fan. Though given his early speech, I'd guess David Tepper has similar thoughts.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, I'm going off what's more valuable as a fan. Though given his early speech, I'd guess David Tepper has similar thoughts.

Not like an owner would ever openly say, "I don't give a rat's ass if we have a winning team or not or even if every home game feels like an away game as long as my P&L sheet looks good!"

[SmokinwithWilly]

27 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

the thing is he doesn't appear to be in any other team's "discussion" as they're not really trying to make a move for him (and it surely isn't because allen is untouchable)

I think right now he kind of is. Team has gone 4-0 since Cam went down, no exact timetable of Cams return, the team is in the playoff hunt, and hes getting the job done (albeit not spectacularly) and improving with the ball security. Unless Miami came with a ridiculous offer like 2 firsts and a 2nd for Allen, I just dont see how you can move him. It would be mailing in the season unless you think Grier is the better QB, but then again, if he was, shouldn't he be starting instead. 

And one thing it appears KA does better than Cam is clock management. Those issues have disappeared since he started and I dont think it's because Norv and Ron miraculously made a change.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think right now he kind of is. Team has gone 4-0 since Cam went down, no exact timetable of Cams return, the team is in the playoff hunt, and hes getting the job done (albeit not spectacularly) and improving with the ball security. Unless Miami came with a ridiculous offer like 2 firsts and a 2nd for Allen, I just dont see how you can move him. It would be mailing in the season unless you think Grier is the better QB, but then again, if he was, shouldn't he be starting instead. 

And one thing it appears KA does better than Cam is clock management. Those issues have disappeared since he started and I dont think it's because Norv and Ron miraculously made a change.

This. I think it's just an understanding that no team is willing to give up what it would take for us to part with Allen right now based on only a five game sample size. He's very valuable to us right now given the uncertainty around Cam so a team would have to come with a hefty offer to get us to even listen.

Think about the risk Hurney and Rivera would have to take to make that trade. If they made that trade and Cam didn't hold up and Grier looked like trash and the season crashed and burned, they'd be fired and rightly so.