Plenty of teams interested in Newton trade...

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Here’s a great idea;

Lets trade Cam Newton and have Will Grier as our b/u qb if Kyle goes down.

Some people need to stop and think before posting 

Pretty much nobody is actually suggesting that we trade Newton this season.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The final play call in the Tampa game still pisses me off.

I didn't have a problem going with McCaffrey, but I can't believe they thought anybody was gonna be fooled by Newton drifting out to the right. Bowles knew Cam couldn't do it. He's been showing that he knew it all game.

if you were gonna try something cute, fake it to McCaffrey and give it to Alex Armah there.

Everything about that call was just awful. We had Cam walking around like he was lost fooling no one because it was obvious that CMC was lined up directly behind the center to take the snap, then we ran wide on 4th and short to the weak side of our OL with only our worst OL leading the way.

Just horrific. Literally the only opportunity that play had for success is if the Bucs just utterly botched it.

[jtm]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's been speculated, but I haven't seen a single reporter who takes the speculation seriously. Even the guy who posted it gave it only a 5% chance of happening.

Now, move the time frame to next year and you'll find some people actually willing to consider the possibility (Geoff Schwartz, for example).

I think it is the news media making up topics to get clicks.  These days, reporters will "speculate" anything.  Kind of cracks me up that folks here actually get heated up about this topic at the moment.  I agree that next year might be a valid discussion depending on how Cam looks when he returns. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything about that call was just awful. We had Cam walking around like he was lost fooling no one because it was obvious that CMC was lined up directly behind the center to take the snap, then we ran wide on 4th and short to the weak side of our OL with only our worst OL leading the way.

Just horrific. Literally the only opportunity that play had for success is if the Bucs just utterly botched it.

Agreed. We pretty much telegraphed the play.

If we wind up like one win short of the playoffs at season's end, that's gonna piss me even more.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

every quarterback does this. even the great kyle allen. some get the benefit of excuses while others get smeared as inaccurate. you evaluate a player's performance within context and throughout the sample. there is not a thing kyle allen does better than cam. that doesn't have to be an insult, you know. how could you expect a UDFA bench warmer to step in and replicate anything that a hall of famer does

Healthy Cam is definitely the better overall QB but it's inaccurate to say that there's nothing that Kyle Allen does better.

I mean, CMC is the best RB in franchise history, but if we're taking anyone from our history to run the ball on 4th and short I'd take Stephen Davis or Jonathan Stewart in that particular situation over CMC all day everyday. That's not a knock at all against CMC.

[Snake]

Trading Allen would have almost the same value ¯\(ツ)/¯ 

[Happy Panther]

There are two ways we trade him. 

1) The panthers believe he will never fully heal and old Cam is no more.

2) Someone makes an absurd offer like two first round picks and a starting wide receiver

Or some combination of the two.

[CRA]

58 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

there is literally nothing about the position that allen does better than cam.

Well that isn’t true.   Cam is a dominant and unique stud to which there is no comparison. His game however has always been flawed. 

Just as a pure passer (excluding reading a defense and all that)....Allen throws a better and more consistent short pass.  Consistent being the key.  

There aren’t a ton of things but that literally nothing stuff is nonsense.  Cam doesn’t need people going to that length for him.  

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

There are two ways we trade him. 

1) The panthers believe he will never fully heal and old Cam is no more.

2) Someone makes an absurd offer like two first round picks and a starting wide receiver

Or some combination of the two.

You don't even take #2 unless #1 is also true.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Healthy Cam is definitely the better overall QB but it's inaccurate to say that there's nothing that Kyle Allen does better.

If a guy in his ninth year isn't the better overall choice over a guy with five games experience, you have issues.

That said, there are probably about half a dozen legitimate analysts who've suggested that Allen could (or in some cases, should) retain the starting job even if Newton is healthy. My take is still that won't happen, but reading the tea leaves, it's hard to say that it's not at least being discussed.

Once you get to next season, you have to shift gears from who's better now to what's the best option going forward. Age, cap and health all come into play for that debate in ways that they don't at the moment.

And naturally, we still have to see how this season plays out. There's a lot of football yet to be played and anything can happen between now and next year. Heck, although it seems unlikely right now, there is also the real possibility that we move on from Newton, but his successor is somebody other than Allen.

Stay tuned, I guess...

[catnip]

Its always about the Benjamins   !  What do you give up to keep the QB .  At least 9 players next year will want to get paid .

Who do you pay and who do you let go .    Its a tough call that's why the coach and gm gets the big bucks .

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If a guy in his ninth year isn't the better overall choice over a guy with five games experience, you have issues.

That said, there are probably about half a dozen legitimate analysts who've suggested that Allen could (or in some cases, should) retain the starting job even if Newton is healthy. My take is still that won't happen, but reading the tea leaves, it's hard to say that it's not at least being discussed.

Once you get to next season, you have to shift gears from who's better now to what's the best option going forward. Age, cap and health all come into play for that debate in ways that they don't at the moment.

And naturally, we still have to see how this season plays out. There's a lot of football yet to be played and anything can happen between now and next year. Heck, although it seems unlikely right now, there is also the real possibility that we move on from Newton, but his successor is somebody other than Allen.

Stay tuned, I guess...

I'm not even talking about that. The dust that used to be the skeleton of that dead horse has been beaten and scattered to the winds already. I was only talking to this idea that there is literally nothing Allen does better than Cam.

[Snake]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i somehow agree and disagree here. so he hasn't been the subject of these reports despite being on a very team friendly contract, an undefeated record and 0 interceptions. what this suggests is that maybe the way fans here have been trying to value him isn't consistent with how the league values quarterbacks. "he just winzzz" and "he doesn't take risks throwing the ball" are traits that have gone the way of the dinosaur because they don't really tell you much about the individual's ability.

so i disagree in the sense that there is absolutely no way the return on an allen trade would even sniff the return on a cam trade, but there probably is technically more value in trading allen in the sense that moving newton would be so uniquely bad for this franchise despite the return. any move that keeps newton is inherently more valuable than trading him

Well I say that too because we have Grier too and they were really high on him. We all don't know if he could be even better than Allen. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not even talking about that. The dust that used to be the skeleton of that dead horse has been beaten and scattered to the winds already. I was only talking to this idea that there is literally nothing Allen does better than Cam.

No, I got that.

You realize you're speaking blasphemy, of course...