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Hard not to be excited as a Panther's fan atm.  Feels like a season where everything is coming together at the right time.  A healthy Cam could make this offense completely unstoppable.  

Too many people with a short memory arguing Cam vs. Kyle.  If Matt Moore goes 4-0 has Mahomes lost his job?  Hell to the no!  Why?  Because he was MVP last season and hasn't dealt with injury, disappointment or failure yet.  Everyone needs to go back and watch some CAMvp season highlights.  In a game of assumptions, I'll assume that's the talent level we're injecting back into our team when he goes back under center...healthy.  With everything Cam has done for this franchise there's just zero question we owe him the fate of this season.

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On 10/23/2019 at 7:50 AM, Newtcase said:

Hard not to be excited as a Panther's fan atm.  Feels like a season where everything is coming together at the right time.  A healthy Cam could make this offense completely unstoppable.  

Too many people with a short memory arguing Cam vs. Kyle.  If Matt Moore goes 4-0 has Mahomes lost his job?  Hell to the no!  Why?  Because he was MVP last season and hasn't dealt with injury, disappointment or failure yet.  Everyone needs to go back and watch some CAMvp season highlights.  In a game of assumptions, I'll assume that's the talent level we're injecting back into our team when he goes back under center...healthy.  With everything Cam has done for this franchise there's just zero question we owe him the fate of this season.

I would love to have Cam back and wrecking shop. 

However, your comparison overlooks several highly relevant factors in comparing Cam to Mahomes and Moore to Allen.

1. Moore is a known qty after years in the league. He is at best a useful backup, nothing more. KA as a 2nd year player is much more of an unknown and there is reason to believe his ceiling may be higher than Moore’s.

2. Mahomes is a year 3 qb probably around age 25 who has made his living throwing no look passes. Newton is 30 with a significant injury history and has made his living running over linebackers for 1st downs. Which one’s body would you put money on wearing out first?

I would agree that Cam does indeed need to be back under center this season if he is healthy, but not because we owe him anything. Professional sports does not work that way. The NFL stands for Not For Long. We need Cam under center because his contract is up next year and he needs to be extensively evaluated as part of a process of deciding who amongst a large group of veterans should get paid within a finite amount of salary cap space. If Cam can perform anywhere near his prior levels, then resigning him is priority number one because a franchise qb trumps all other considerations.

If Cam does not show he is able to perform at or near prior levels, then one of two things needs to happen: Either the team decides he is still the franchises best option going forward and pays him with a contract reflective of his current value in order to surround him with greater talent and offset his diminished performance or..the team decides to go in a different direction qb wise and can allocate finite cap space to retaining as much of the other abundant talent that is presently on our roster.

There are doubtless those who would argue that you can't go away from Allen's hot hand or that he also needs to be evaluated extensively to see if he is the real deal or a fluke. While I agree that Allen needs extensive evaluation, this need is not as pressing as evaluating the franchises qb for the past 8 years coming off injury. Furthermore those who argue that a healthy Cam has a higher ceiling come playoff time than Allen have a pretty strong argument, as that is a pretty reasonable assumption at this point imo. I think the need to evaluate Cam trumps the hot hand principle, but that's just my two cents.

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On 10/23/2019 at 11:21 AM, pantherclaw said:

The huddle.is.really becoming unbearable with the Cam fans.  

I miss this place when it use to be just Panther fans. 

Is that what you said when people were shitting on cam his entire career. Even while destroying himself for the team?

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On 10/23/2019 at 11:21 AM, pantherclaw said:

The huddle.is.really becoming unbearable with the Cam fans.  

I miss this place when it use to be just Panther fans. 

Agree on this.  I would like to know how long some of these people have been “fans” of the team.  Any sports franchise is greater than any individual player.  Cam is great and has done a lot for the team and the organization but we haven’t even won a super bowl with him and now there are indicators that he is breaking down.  I don’t know why we can’t hope for the best but acknowledge that there is a long-term question at play.

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'15 cam is not coming back.  if he tries to play like that he is doomed.   that would be the stupidest thing he could try and do.  we do not need '15 cam.   we don't need a 30 yo running qb.   talk about setting the team back.    if that's the only way he can play we've wasted a lot of draft picks.

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