four possibilities that could happen this sunday concerning kyle allen

[JARROD]

Somehow with the way we are playing and winning as a team I just see us winning— I’ll believe that until it’s not true.

somehow I just think the 49ers are not quite there yet— coach of the year material etc but.

then again people said that about the Panthers every game in 2015.

[LegioX]

If Allen puts up good numbers and no turnovers and pulls out a win. Well thing will get very interesting in Carolina. If you dont think so, your head is in the sand.

[Pantherzack179812]

Because 5-0 is impressive when you’re 1 win from marching the argued qbs win total in 2 years... Brees doesn’t have that problem. Again, the fact Cam has not played well enough since arguably 2017 to prove he is better then an undrafted  free agent... don’t even get me started about that 6-2 start, Jonathan Stewart is HB then that team starts 5-3 4-4 at the best, we weren’t winning cause of Cam. Steelers figured it out by the first drive... hit cam, stop CMC, the Panthers have ZERO. Cams arm didn’t look any worse to me then the first 10 games until the Cleveland game.  That’s fine if he was hurt, but don’t throw him out there hurt and make it worse (he really should’ve sat 2018 most likely). All of y’all held the same opinion but changed it until he sat in front of a camera with a cigar (which I’m pretty sure is not great for your health :D) and a glass of wine. Hate to tell you, nobody cares about your video Cam. Either inform the team of injuries or start controversies like this. Even if Allen started 8-0, there would be no doubt ATM cam would returns. This controversy is not the media’s, Ron’s, BUT CAMS. Say my foot hurts too bad I can’t throw, Allen comes in and we probably lose to LA still cause of DJ but beat Tampa... I honestly see unfolding in front of my eyes why he was trying to play through. But Cam is Jesus, he can’t be selfish about his job!

[Moo Daeng]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Same guy who said Mitch Trubisky would be a world beater this season. He's had quite a few questionable takes imho.

you could always sell your soul to Billy F'n Marshall and that guy touting Isaiah Oliver as the second coming of Deion Sanders

[mc52beast]

People don’t seem to realize that Cam isn’t playing unless he’s 100%. If Kyle struggles Sunday he’s still starting vs the Titans if Cam isn’t 100%. 
 

Nothing matters until the medical staff declares that Cam is 100%... it ain’t rocket science

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

you could always sell your soul to Billy F'n Marshall and that guy touting Isaiah Oliver as the second coming of Deion Sanders

it is worth remembering that Louis Riddick has actually worked in an NFL front office and has been interviewed for GM positions (heck, some people wanted him here).

For whatever you think of Riddick, I'm pretty sure the Twitter analysts can't match those credentials.

[Moo Daeng]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

it is worth remembering that Louis Riddick has actually worked in an NFL front office and has been interviewed for GM positions (heck, some people wanted him here).

For whatever you think of Riddick, I'm pretty sure the Twitter analysts can't match those credentials.

Agreed. These guys have a Twitter alt account and a background in video production. Riddick was the director of pro personnel for two NFL teams.

[Saca312]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

it is worth remembering that Louis Riddick has actually worked in an NFL front office and has been interviewed for GM positions (heck, some people wanted him here).

For whatever you think of Riddick, I'm pretty sure the Twitter analysts can't match those credentials.

I mean all fairness we can argue there's plenty of incompetence that happen in the NFL front offices anyhow, alongside the simple fact a lot of NFL coaching and management positions are achieved via connections moreso than actual competence in lots of scenarios.

I'm not comparing him to any twitter analyst other than just simply his own takes. Again, very controversial topic around here, and my take is the opinion that Cam Newton provides more for an offense than what Kyle Allen will.

If it takes Cam going to the Bears to show that or any other team, then it is what it is. It'll be a mistake for the Panthers to move on from him if healthy, but if Kyle is apparently playing just well enough, then whatever. One way or another, as long as he's healthy, he'll eventually prove that he's still a top starter in the league based on even what I've seen despite him being hurt the first two games.

Kyle Allen will need to show me multiple elite games before I crown him anywhere close to replacing Cam. My analysis shows he's a starter level, but hasn't shown any elite games thus far.

Norv Turner's comments have been largely positive concerning Newton over Allen. Greg Olsen explicitly states that Cam is better than Allen in his interviews, and well his gameday reaction with some of Allen's decisions is all you need to know as to why he'd come to that conclusion.

I'm just arguing things are pointing to a better functioning offense with Cam at the helm, and I think it's silly to assume not. We can play the "what if" game, but if your current reasoning is our win and loss record, let me just say that we aren't going to have an elite defense, large positive turnover differential, and peak Christian McCaffrey every year.

Kyle Allen has shown he can manage an offense well enough to not make mistakes as long as either the defense or CMC play at an elite level. Now to hand the keys over in the case those other two factors are not good, well, I haven't seen any of that yet.

[Saca312]

47 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

People don’t seem to realize that Cam isn’t playing unless he’s 100%. If Kyle struggles Sunday he’s still starting vs the Titans if Cam isn’t 100%. 
 

Nothing matters until the medical staff declares that Cam is 100%... it ain’t rocket science

This x100

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I mean all fairness we can argue there's plenty of incompetence that happen in the NFL front offices anyhow, alongside the simple fact a lot of NFL coaching and management positions are achieved via connections moreso than actual competence in lots of scenarios.

I'm not comparing him to any twitter analyst other than just simply his own takes. Again, very controversial topic around here, and my take is the opinion that Cam Newton provides more for an offense than what Kyle Allen will.

If it takes Cam going to the Bears to show that or any other team, then it is what it is. It'll be a mistake for the Panthers to move on from him if healthy, but if Kyle is apparently playing just well enough, then whatever. One way or another, as long as he's healthy, he'll eventually prove that he's still a top starter in the league based on even what I've seen despite him being hurt the first two games.

Kyle Allen will need to show me multiple elite games before I crown him anywhere close to replacing Cam. My analysis shows he's a starter level, but hasn't shown any elite games thus far.

Norv Turner's comments have been largely positive concerning Newton over Allen. Greg Olsen explicitly states that Cam is better than Allen in his interviews, and well his gameday reaction with some of Allen's decisions is all you need to know as to why he'd come to that conclusion.

I'm just arguing things are pointing to a better functioning offense with Cam at the helm, and I think it's silly to assume not.

Olsen said they want Cam back, but also acknowledged that it's a tough decision. And I'm not sure which comments by Norv Turner you're referring to because I haven't seen any recently.

Sorry Sac, but you're seeing a lot of things the way you want to see them. In reality, all the spin in the world isn't going to change what happens.

Newton might be back. He also might lose his job. What any of us thinks about either decision makes no difference.

And as I've said many times, I don't care how this drama plays out as long as we win.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

Wrong. 400yds. 4 Tuds. Book it.

[pantherclaw]

Would read again, except it seems.i already have!

[Saca312]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Olsen said they want Cam back, but also acknowledged that it's a tough decision. And I'm not sure which comments by Norv Turner you're referring to because I haven't seen any recently.

Sorry Sac, but you're seeing a lot of things the way you want to see them. In reality, all the spin in the world isn't going to change what happens.

Newton might be back. He also might lose his job. What any of us thinks about either decision makes no difference.

Norv Turner's comments from going against the Jaguars here. Starts at 6:00

https://www.panthers.com/video/norv-turner-addresses-jaguars-pass-rush-offensive-creativity

Argues Ron Rivera's longevity in the NFL is helped "When you have an elite QB like Cam Newton." Irony is this wasn't even a question on Cam but thoughts on Ron Rivera's potential franchise win record, so that should speak volumes of how highly Norv thinks of Cam.

Olsen will say vanilla comments in general, but his reaction on the field with some of Allen's decisions shows he favors Cam coming back. I haven't seen him showing that kind of reaction with any of Cam's decision making ever, and I've seen that multiple times with Allen.

You're right; we don't know what will ultimately happen. Whether it will be the right or wrong decision remains to be seen.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

Plenty of reverse racism on this forum.Not calling you that but what exactly is your issue with 4-0 7 tds and no picks. What he can't throw it 150 yds. Not real sure we need that.