"Why are people ignoring Cam's first 8 games from last season when he was playing great?"

[ncfan]

14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Look at 8 games when he has started about 130?  When a QB has a large body of work,  he should consistently have defined his ability.  If you find 8 games that outperformed the other 122, is that right?  It could be a sign, or it could be a hot streak---the same thing some are accusing Allen of demonstrating. 

I think everyone can agree thay Shula had a negative effect on this offense including the QB

We had as many threads about this last year (how it was going to improve Cam) as we have Cam vs Allen threads now.

[Wolfpredator]

When it comes to Kyle Allen, the only thing that matters is the wins. When it comes to Cam Newton, the only thing that matters is every fuggin mistake he made regardless of the outcomes. FFs, you people are God Damn ridiculous. 

[Happy Panther]

3 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

15 TD - 4 INT

5 games with passer ratings over 100

67% completion rate

4 rushing TDS on 350 yards rushing

What the hell is the OP on about?

Here are the stats for the first 8 games of 2015.

14 TD - 9 INT

3 games with passer ratings over 100 - and 3 games with ratings lower than 75 (Cam's worst rating for the first 8 games in 2018.

53.7% completion rate

5 rushing TDs on 350 yards rushing.

Cam was having a reaaaly solid year for the first half last year.

[Sam Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, Happy Panther said:

Here are the stats for the first 8 games of 2015.

14 TD - 9 INT

3 games with passer ratings over 100 - and 3 games with ratings lower than 75 (Cam's worst rating for the first 8 games in 2018.

53.7% completion rate

5 rushing TDs on 350 yards rushing.

Cam was having a reaaaly solid year for the first half last year.

Bad comparison because nobody was mentioning Cam as an MVP candidate in 2015 until Seattle at earliest. His first 4 games in 2015 were easily his worst 4 of that season.

[DubE_4MR]

Tbh he was hurt during those first 8 games as well and was missing a lot of practice time. But as you can see he was trending upward heading into the Pittsburgh game. And one of those MVP caliber performances was against a Ravens defense that was #1 statistically at the time. Cam can still play, he's just been unlucky with injuries over the past couple of seasons. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

I think everyone can agree thay Shula had a negative effect on this offense including the QB

We had as many threads about this last year (how it was going to improve Cam) as we have Cam vs Allen threads now.

Yeah, I thought of the Shula/Dorsey empire after posting this--good point.  Cam was playing well during that stretch---can he get it back?

Here is perhaps the biggest thing people are not really getting into--When has Cam ever had competition for his job?  At Florida?  Maybe this will help him focus. 

[MasterAwesome]

5 hours ago, Icege said:

Looking at the games criticizing Cam's performance doesn't exactly help the case presented when the opposing QBs performance is taken into consideration as well.

vs. DAL
Cam: 17/26 (65%), 161 passing yds (9.5yd avg), 13 carries, 58 rushing yards (4.5yd avg), 1 rushing TD [219 total yards, 1 TD]
Dak: 19/29 (59%), 170 passing yds (8.9yd avg), 5 carries, 19 rushing yds (3.8yd avg) [189 total yards, 0 TDs]

vs. ATL
Cam: 32/45 (71%), 335 passing yds (10.5yd avg), 3 passing TDs, 1 INT, 5 carries, 42 rushing yds (8.4yd avg) [377 total yards, 3 TDs]
Matt: 23/28 (82%), 272 passing yds (11.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 1INT, 4 carries, 18 rushing yds (4.5yd avg), 2 rushing TDs [290 total yards, 4 TDs]

vs. NYG
Cam: 21/35 (60%), 237 passing yds (11.3yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 2 INTs, 8 carries, 29 rushing yds (3.8yd avg) [266 total yards, 2 TDs]
Eli: 22/36 (61%), 326 passing yds (14.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 2 INTs, 1 carry, 2 rushing yds (2yd avg) [328 total yards, 2 TDs]

vs. WAS
Cam: 27/40 (68%), 275 passing yds (10.2yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 1 INT, 9 carries, 43 rushing yds (4.8yd avg) [318 total yards, 2 TDs]
Smith: 21/36 (58%), 163 passing yds (7.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 6 carries, 13 rushing yds (2.2yd avg) [176 total yards, 2 TDs]

vs. PHI
Cam: 25/39 (64%), 269 passing yds (10.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 7 carries, 49 rushing yds (7yd avg) [318 total yards, 2 TDs]
Wentz: 30/37 81%), 310 passing yds (10.3yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 3 carries, 3 rushing yds (1yd avg) [313 total yards, 2 TDs]

Combined
Cam: 122/185 (66%), 1277 passing yds (10.5yd avg), 9 passing TDs, 4 INTs, 42 carries, 221 rushing yds (5.3yd avg), 1 rushing TDs [1498 total yards, 10 TDs]
Opp: 115/166 (69%), 1241 passing yds (10.8yd avg), 8 passing TDs, 3 INTs, 19 carries, 55 rushing yds (2.9yd avg), 2 rushing TDs [1296 total yards, 10 TDs]

 

I wonder if OP and other folks campaigning against Cam will ever hold other QBs to the same standard they they hold Cam to. We look at only his passing numbers and not his rushing numbers? Do we disregard CMC's receiving yards despite being an RB? No? Then why are there still people that view the QB as a one dimensional position 

Carson Wentz didn't have to deal with any of this, and he hasn't won a SB either. That was Nick Foles. People talmbout pay Dak and Matt Ryan is a top 10 QB. Yet, Cam shouldn't start when healthy over Kyle Allen?

C'mon y'all. Be better.

Is that really the bar you set for Cam?  To compare similarly to QBs like Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, a decrepit Eli Manning, and Dak Prescott?  Hell yeah I have higher standards for Cam because I know what kind of talent he is...I feel like that's an insult to Cam to paint him in that kind of light.  I prefer to judge QBs on their own merits anyways, I couldn't care less how the game's opposing QB performs.  That's the same kind of rationale people use when they make arguments like "Oh it's okay Slye missed a potential game-tying FG cause their kicker also missed one so it cancels out".  Naw...F that.  I want my kicker making everything, like I want my QB making every throw in the book.  It doesn't make it an easier pill to swallow when Cam or Allen overthrow a wide open receiver because "Well, Tom Brady overthrows people too".  We win games because our players outperform their players.  Was Ray-Ray absolved in losing a fumble last game because TB's returner also lost a fumble?  I don't remember anyone arguing that.  It's okay to want more out of your team and in turn, be more critical of their play.  I know mistakes are bound to happen though, so I'm not one of those temperamental posters who call for benching or cutting a player because a mistake or two is made.

Also, Matt Ryan is probably one of the most hated-on QBs on these boards anyways.  I don't see a lot of praise across the board for his performance.

[SmokinwithWilly]

5 hours ago, X-Clown said:

I noticed that Cam Newton was the leading rusher in 5 out of those 8 games. Do we see any evidence of Kyle Allen being capable of being the team's leading rusher if McCaffrey were to be shut down?

Hopefully we might actually try to use one of our other running backs to see if they have better luck.

[GoPanthers123]

6 hours ago, Waldo said:

It's so lame that a QB gets a win loss designation when there is a defense playing, special teams and other inputs on the outcome of the game. I like how in MLB, pitchers dont automatically get a win or a loss but the NFLs stats only go so far without having to extrapolate the data for useful meaning. How many of these games was Washington in charge of the defense and completely failing? Or other players craping the bed? Who was playing LT seems like a good one given our history.

As for when Cam was hurt, I dont think any of us know and until its confirmed, it's more speculation to the extrapolation.

Cam is the heart of the team.  Hyped Cam is a W and mopey Cam is a L.   The QB is the driver, the team is the car.  It’s more than just stats it’s how fired up the team is and how resilient they are as a result. Same case with Allen - he is professional and determined and the team is playing to win.

[Palmetto]

3 hours ago, Wolfpredator said:

When it comes to Kyle Allen, the only thing that matters is the wins. When it comes to Cam Newton, the only thing that matters is every fuggin mistake he made regardless of the outcomes. FFs, you people are God Damn ridiculous. 

Alex Smith, every media guy repeats that winning is all that matters

No matter what his stat line was

The guy went a whole season with out throwing a  TD to a Wr

[GoobyPls]

Op is posting misleading numbers. In the Atlanta game Norv and Ron were slow playing and Cam carried them when they went to the no huddle, also that Cam int came off a drop by Anderson.

 

Same with Washington where DJ fumbles the game away and we went no huddle to late 

[Panfan35]

I don’t know why people think cam was great the first half of last season. was his completion % up sure it was,  but he was no more than a game manager throwing short passes heck I thought something was still wrong with him to be honest. His best days are behind him we should move on and get what we can, some teams would give a lot for a healthy cam.

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

Cam is the heart of the team.  Hyped Cam is a W and mopey Cam is a L.   The QB is the driver, the team is the car.  It’s more than just stats it’s how fired up the team is and how resilient they are as a result. Same case with Allen - he is professional and determined and the team is playing to win.

That is complete BS. So I guess Allen plays special teams and defence now?

What I was talking about is we assign a win or loss to a QB because they were playing and not because they earned it directly.