"Why are people ignoring Cam's first 8 games from last season when he was playing great?"

[ncfan]

19 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

He was much better.  Regardless it's fairly important that the examples you use for your points are at least factually correct if you expect anyone to weigh their validity.

Our OL was tied with the Rams last year for 6th fewest sacks allowed. So that's not a valid excuse.

We are on pace to give up 43 sacks this season vs 32 last so there's that.

How much did that have to do with Cam's legs though

There was a stat on here the other day showing  how long rushers were getting to the passer this year vs last and the actual time the QB is getting this year before someone gets to him is less

[uncfan888]

Please stop making threads for every trash opinion that pops into your pea brained head

[X-Clown]

14 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Was that a good thing? Do you really want your leading rusher to be the QB?

Not necessarily to the first question, and no to the second. But that still doesn't answer my original question.

[MountaineerChemist10]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Was Cam really having as good of a season through the first 8 games last year as people are saying?

Here's a link to his gamelogs: http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/gamelogs?season=2018

Dallas: that was the definition of a Kyle Allen performance

Atlanta: B-/C+ game where it took a miracle to get a chance to tie the game late. The offense really badly botched the final drive of this game and it ended with an uncatchable pass to the end zone.

Cincinnati: a good performance

Giants: A C performance here that took the longest game-winning kick in the history of the league to get the win.

Washington: truly one of the worst final drives in the history of the team that ended with a WTF pass on 4th down

Philadelphia: another terrible performance through the first 3 quarters capped off by the best and most clutch 4th quarter of Cam's career. I won't say anything negative about the 4th quarter, it was legitimately a legendary one.

Baltimore: MVP-level performance

Tampa Bay: MVP-level performance

So what do we have here? 2, maybe 3 games where he looked as good as he did in 2015 (with a weaker arm), plus an all-time great 4th quarter in Philly. A few Kyle Allen performances. Plus a couple of abysmal and botched final drives. IMO, we have rose-colored glasses about how good he was in the first half of the season because of how awesome he had been playing in his last 9 quarters before playing Pittsburgh. But what he did against Baltimore and Tampa Bay and Philadelphia (in the 4th quarter) wasn't indicative of how he played the first 8 games.

Do you disagree and think I'm being too harsh on Cam when it comes to some of these games? 

You're forgetting a three things. During these games:

1) Cam's starting WRs were Funchess & Smith. Not good.

2) Olsen, Cam's #1 target, injured himself in Week 1, was out Week 2-5 & not 100% healthy for the remainder of '18. 

3) Our D was bad. Our D now is good.

No, Cam was not at MVP level but his TD/INT ratio was 15/4 during these games. Also had 4 rushing TDs. That's pretty darn good. However, his ratio for the remainder (after supposedly injuring his shoulder again) was 9/9 with 0 rushing TDs. So imagine how we would play if we could start a healthy Cam with red hot CMC, speedy DJ/Curtis, 'ol reliable Greg & our dominant D...Super Bowl team right there.

Kyle Allen is good, but would he be just as great if he played with the '18 injured Olsen, WRs Funchess & Smith & our God awful '18 defense? Not a chance.

[KillerKat]

fug SMF. Put him on ignore.

[The Lobo]

Say what you want on that washington game, but Moore jazzed us in the jazz hole that game. 

[Sam Mills Fan]

48 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

his line looks pretty damn good here but i forgot the ultimate measure of a quarterback's performance is qb winzzz

Go back and look up threads on this site from right after that game. The theme was how bad Cam and the offense looked on the final drive. Cam threw a 4 yard pass to Torrey Smith in the middle of the field with one timeout left and 40 seconds left on the clock when we needed 60 more yards. Didn't get another play off until 19 seconds were left.

[Sam Mills Fan]

33 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

15 TD - 4 INT

5 games with passer ratings over 100

67% completion rate

4 rushing TDS on 350 yards rushing

What the hell is the OP on about?

Did you read the thread or not? The majority of awesomeness from Cam came in the last 9 quarters he played in those 8 games. Lots of crap and mediocrity in the first 23 quarters.

[Forty-Eight]

Because Cam wasnt really playing that great before the losses. I understand he completion percentage was better but he still missed some easy throws. Our offense with Cam at the time was Christian McCaffrey. A bunch of dump offs and short throws to CMC. With Allen we are now able to throw the ball downfield like in 2015. I don’t believe Cam will ever be Cam again. Fans can dislike it but it’s the honest truth. Since watching football Ive only seen one QB come back from a major injury and that was Peyton. Luck played great last year but retire the very next year. 

[trueblade]

1 hour ago, X-Clown said:

I noticed that Cam Newton was the leading rusher in 5 out of those 8 games. Do we see any evidence of Kyle Allen being capable of being the team's leading rusher if McCaffrey were to be shut down?

Is your QB being your leading rusher a good thing? The Bucs did shut down CMC. When your star gets shut down, its up to the other guys to pick up the slack. The defense did and Allen didn't have to be the leading rusher for the Panthers to get a win. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Did you read the thread or not? The majority of awesomeness from Cam came in the last 9 quarters he played in those 8 games. Lots of crap and mediocrity in the first 23 quarters

Sorta like how Kyle Allen fumbled and lost the ball whenever a stiff breeze came through the stadium...but he shrugged off one Watt potential sack and made a throw and the anti-Cam wagon was ready to call him the next Tom Brady?

[MountaineerChemist10]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Did you read the thread or not? The majority of awesomeness from Cam came in the last 9 quarters he played in those 8 games. Lots of crap and mediocrity in the first 23 quarters.

How can Cam be awesome when his leading WRs for those 8 games are Funchess & Smith? Not to mention DJ's 3 fumbles, Olsen's out and/or limped & our D is as bad as my farts?

[jtm]

4 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Was Cam really having as good of a season through the first 8 games last year as people are saying?

Here's a link to his gamelogs: http://www.nfl.com/player/camnewton/2495455/gamelogs?season=2018

Dallas: that was the definition of a Kyle Allen performance

Atlanta: B-/C+ game where it took a miracle to get a chance to tie the game late. The offense really badly botched the final drive of this game and it ended with an uncatchable pass to the end zone.

Cincinnati: a good performance

Giants: A C performance here that took the longest game-winning kick in the history of the league to get the win.

Washington: truly one of the worst final drives in the history of the team that ended with a WTF pass on 4th down

Philadelphia: another terrible performance through the first 3 quarters capped off by the best and most clutch 4th quarter of Cam's career. I won't say anything negative about the 4th quarter, it was legitimately a legendary one.

Baltimore: MVP-level performance

Tampa Bay: MVP-level performance

So what do we have here? 2, maybe 3 games where he looked as good as he did in 2015 (with a weaker arm), plus an all-time great 4th quarter in Philly. A few Kyle Allen performances. Plus a couple of abysmal and botched final drives. IMO, we have rose-colored glasses about how good he was in the first half of the season because of how awesome he had been playing in his last 9 quarters before playing Pittsburgh. But what he did against Baltimore and Tampa Bay and Philadelphia (in the 4th quarter) wasn't indicative of how he played the first 8 games.

Do you disagree and think I'm being too harsh on Cam when it comes to some of these games? 

This pretty much sums up what everyone thinks outside of Carolina fans.  Cam hasn't played close to an MVP level on a consistent basis since the 2015 season.  He's had stretches where he looked great followed by stretches where he looked terrible.  This was all capped off last year when he just plain looked awful for the entire season with the exception of maybe 3 games. 

[MHS831]

Look at 8 games when he has started about 130?  When a QB has a large body of work,  he should consistently have defined his ability.  If you find 8 games that outperformed the other 122, is that right?  It could be a sign, or it could be a hot streak---the same thing some are accusing Allen of demonstrating.