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"Why are people ignoring Cam's first 8 games from last season when he was playing great?"

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It's so lame that a QB gets a win loss designation when there is a defense playing, special teams and other inputs on the outcome of the game. I like how in MLB, pitchers dont automatically get a win or a loss but the NFLs stats only go so far without having to extrapolate the data for useful meaning. How many of these games was Washington in charge of the defense and completely failing? Or other players craping the bed? Who was playing LT seems like a good one given our history.

As for when Cam was hurt, I dont think any of us know and until its confirmed, it's more speculation to the extrapolation.

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6 minutes ago, Icege said:

wonder if OP and other folks campaigning against Cam will ever hold other QBs to the same standard they they hold Cam to. We look at only his passing numbers and not his rushing numbers? Do we disregard CMC's receiving yards despite being an RB? No? Then why are there still people that view the QB as a one dimensional position :thinking:

Carson Wentz didn't have to deal with any of this, and he hasn't won a SB either. That was Nick Foles. People talmbout pay Dak and Matt Ryan is a top 10 QB. Yet, Cam shouldn't start when healthy over Kyle Allen?

C'mon y'all. Be better.

1) I do hold Cam to higher standards because I know he is better than most other QBs, especially Allen. Do you not hold Cam to higher standards? Hopefully, or there wouldnt be a good reason to defend him to such an extent.

2) I dont care what other teams QBs are doing, it isnt really relevant. We are a run first team and not all are. Cam is usually a big part of that. And again, I have higher expectations of Cam based on how well he had played in the past and I couldn't care less what the other guys are doing. Hopefully our defense causes them to play poorly and that affects their stats, but obviously last year our defense did no favors for the offense.

3) His stats alone were putting him in some MVP consideration, although there was no one who ended up being even close to Mahomes but it appeared Cam had bought into what Norv wanted to do. The one thing the stats dont show, is that the level of difficulty in his passes went way down. CMC had over 100 receptions so that tells us there were a lot of check downs, easy passes so thankfully the completion percentage did go up. We all gave exception to his lower completion percentage in the past because of the highly difficult passes he was asked to complete so we should at least acknowledge that has changed.

 

I'm not trying to call you out for using what you did to counter the OP, I could have quoted other people instead. I am just trying to meet in the middle here. And for the record, I do want Cam to get healthy and get his starting position back. I just dont think it is going to be as soon as we are hoping.

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26 minutes ago, Icege said:

Looking at the games criticizing Cam's performance doesn't exactly help the case presented when the opposing QBs performance is taken into consideration as well.

vs. DAL
Cam: 17/26 (65%), 161 passing yds (9.5yd avg), 13 carries, 58 rushing yards (4.5yd avg), 1 rushing TD [219 total yards, 1 TD]
Dak: 19/29 (59%), 170 passing yds (8.9yd avg), 5 carries, 19 rushing yds (3.8yd avg) [189 total yards, 0 TDs]

vs. ATL
Cam: 32/45 (71%), 335 passing yds (10.5yd avg), 3 passing TDs, 1 INT, 5 carries, 42 rushing yds (8.4yd avg) [377 total yards, 3 TDs]
Matt: 23/28 (82%), 272 passing yds (11.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 1INT, 4 carries, 18 rushing yds (4.5yd avg), 2 rushing TDs [290 total yards, 4 TDs]

vs. NYG
Cam: 21/35 (60%), 237 passing yds (11.3yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 2 INTs, 8 carries, 29 rushing yds (3.8yd avg) [266 total yards, 2 TDs]
Eli: 22/36 (61%), 326 passing yds (14.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 2 INTs, 1 carry, 2 rushing yds (2yd avg) [328 total yards, 2 TDs]

vs. WAS
Cam: 27/40 (68%), 275 passing yds (10.2yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 1 INT, 9 carries, 43 rushing yds (4.8yd avg) [318 total yards, 2 TDs]
Smith: 21/36 (58%), 163 passing yds (7.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 6 carries, 13 rushing yds (2.2yd avg) [176 total yards, 2 TDs]

vs. PHI
Cam: 25/39 (64%), 269 passing yds (10.8yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 7 carries, 49 rushing yds (7yd avg) [318 total yards, 2 TDs]
Wentz: 30/37 81%), 310 passing yds (10.3yd avg), 2 passing TDs, 3 carries, 3 rushing yds (1yd avg) [313 total yards, 2 TDs]

Combined
Cam: 122/185 (66%), 1277 passing yds (10.5yd avg), 9 passing TDs, 4 INTs, 42 carries, 221 rushing yds (5.3yd avg), 1 rushing TDs [1498 total yards, 10 TDs]
Opp: 115/166 (69%), 1241 passing yds (10.8yd avg), 8 passing TDs, 3 INTs, 19 carries, 55 rushing yds (2.9yd avg), 2 rushing TDs [1296 total yards, 10 TDs]

 

I wonder if OP and other folks campaigning against Cam will ever hold other QBs to the same standard they they hold Cam to. We look at only his passing numbers and not his rushing numbers? Do we disregard CMC's receiving yards despite being an RB? No? Then why are there still people that view the QB as a one dimensional position :thinking:

Carson Wentz didn't have to deal with any of this, and he hasn't won a SB either. That was Nick Foles. People talmbout pay Dak and Matt Ryan is a top 10 QB. Yet, Cam shouldn't start when healthy over Kyle Allen?

C'mon y'all. Be better.

You hold him to higher standards because people claim he's a the greatest. Also, without being a dominant running threat a sub 60% career passer likely isn't going to cut.

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1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

So Cam gets no credit for the 6-2 start but Kyle gets credit for going 4-0. 
 

And I’m just going to add that the 2018 defense is nowhere close to the 2019 edition. And CMC is having a pro bowl start... Lucky Kyle.

Are you just making things up to argue against now?

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1 minute ago, GreensboroPirate said:

 

He was 6-2 with a terrible Eric Washington defense, and Matt Kalil protecting his blindside, with a rookie DJ Moore (Torrey Smith getting more snaps), against a MUCH tougher schedule

Even with a hurt shoulder, Cam was still a much better POCKET passer than Kyle Allen

The only reason Cam played bad this year was the lisfranc injury;  even with his shoulder not being 100%, he's still far superior to Kyle Allen;  the lisfranc is just impossible to plant on, but he will recover from this

Matt Kalil didn't play a single snap last season.

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20 minutes ago, GreensboroPirate said:

34 year old career scrub Chris Clark was so much better

Chris Clark who has been out of work since the Panthers cut him

He was much better.  Regardless it's fairly important that the examples you use for your points are at least factually correct if you expect anyone to weigh their validity.

Our OL was tied with the Rams last year for 6th fewest sacks allowed. So that's not a valid excuse.

We are on pace to give up 43 sacks this season vs 32 last so there's that.

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5 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

I noticed that Cam Newton was the leading rusher in 5 out of those 8 games. Do we see any evidence of Kyle Allen being capable of being the team's leading rusher if McCaffrey were to be shut down?

Was that a good thing? Do you really want your leading rusher to be the QB?

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4 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

15 TD - 4 INT

5 games with passer ratings over 100

67% completion rate

4 rushing TDS on 350 yards rushing

What the hell is the OP on about?

It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to be the Huddle's Colin Cowherd.

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