I find it interesting that so many Cam backers want him to sit against San Fran and return vs Tennessee

[Mikey818]

IMO Cam is done in Carolina 

[Moo Daeng]

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

If your MVP QB is putting up consistently poor numbers and the team is putting up consistently poor results after the Bye week, then I see that more as an indication of something lacking from the coaching staff.

Of course, you are making excuses.

[Icege]

Just now, Moo Daeng said:

The record of the team at the time of the game is not relevant. You must look at how they performed over the year to judge a team. Seattle was a playoff team in 2015 obviously as we faced them in the playoffs.

I agree and disagree. Yes, where they ended up is important, but when your team's record is 4-4 after Byes with no Ws vs. team's with winning records when they meet during the season, that doesn't exactly give much to be confident about.

[Peppers90 NC]

16 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

You could easily argue that it's Newton who has been notoriously bad after the by week.  2018 is the only decent game he's had after a bye

Year - Completion % -  TD - Int

2011 - 57.5% 0 1

2012  56.8%  1 1

2013  53.8%  0 3

2014  51.4%  1 1

2015  55.6%  1 2

2016  51.9%  0 0 

2017  39.3%  0 0 

2018  60.0%  2 2

That's pretty gross. I guess our defense didn't carry us in those wins though? But probably the reason we lost the first four.

[ForJimmy]

1. I want to see how healthy our line is. If Turner and Little are healthy and Cam has practiced all week with no “rest” days then perhaps. 
 

2. It’s already been said, but it’s a chance to see what we have in Allen. 

[raz]

every single media report is listing shelter as their source.   ron did not back that up.   i have no idea what's true, like scot said it was probably cam's agent.   ron was very direct that our staff has to clear him, and it didn't sound like they had.  again, i have no idea what the truth is, but in all likelihood this conversation is a little premature

[raz]

and, kinda hard to stay in 'football shape' with a foot injury.   

[Peppers90 NC]

Just now, raz said:

every single media report is listing shelter as their source.   ron did not back that up.   i have no idea what's true, like scot said it was probably cam's agent.   ron was very direct that our staff has to clear him, and it didn't sound like they had.  again, i have no idea what the truth is, but in all likelihood this conversation is a little premature

Yea anyone who bought into that got suckered into the national media creating the controversy prematurely. I have no doubt the Panthers org will be extra precautious this time around as they should be. And once Cam practices with no limitations then we can have legit conversations about it. No way he is ready for SF and probably not Ten either.

[Megadeth]

If Cam goes into practice and outplays Allen, throws deep without issues then he should play 49ers. If he stinks up the joint and shows something is still wrong with him during the first quarter, get him of there. If Allen outplays Cam during practice, same thing applies.

I don't care who it is, I don't care about past accomplishments, it's 2019 and the best QB during practice should get to see the field. The player who shows during practice that they will give the team the best chance of winning deserves to see the field.

First 6 games last season Cam looked more consistent than ever, I would love to see a performance like that again, but there is no guarantee that we will see that Cam now even if he is 100%.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, Megadeth said:

If Cam goes into practice and outplays Allen, throws deep without issues then he should play 49ers. If he stinks up the joint and shows something is still wrong with him during the first quarter, get him of there.

there is no way you bench either of these guys if they have a bad quarter... or hell, a bad half.

this is not a team in need of a QB controversy with that garbage... go with one or the other for this game barring an injury.

once the switch is made back to Cam the only way that reverses is if he is injured... or, I guess, atrocious across multiple games, but I don't see that happening if he is healthy.

[raz]

seeing what they've been doing to qb's in san fran, and if they do that to our o-line too, we're not gonna find our much about either qb.   now if we can keep them off the qb we're gonna know we've really got something going now.

[SBiii]

Me too.

If you're gonna be the man, you gotta beat the man.

If Cam is only going to play against weak teams how many games will he really be eligible for this year?  4 or 5?

[JawnyBlaze]

2 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Freaking coward take. If Cam can play that means he's fully healthy and his health shouldn't be a concern. The offensive line has being playing well. You play your starters if healthy period. The only reason you wouldn't play Cam is if you're scared to death he's going to be exposed, look terrible yet again, we lose, and then you really WILL have a QB controversy.

A more ridiculous take than I’ve seen around here in a while. “Of COURSE Ron wouldn’t play Cam unless he’s fully healthy and in no heightened risk of injury whatsoever! What you think Ron would risk Cam’s health?! Pshaw!”

[MasterAwesome]

19 minutes ago, Icege said:

Numbers never lie, but they also never tell the full story. Let's take a look at Rivera's results post-Bye week:

• 2011: TEN 30 - 3 CAR
• 2012: DAL 19 - 4 CAR
• 2013: CAR 6 - 22 ARI
• 2014: CAR 13 - 31 MIN
• 2015: CAR 27 - 23 SEA
• 2016: CAR 30 - 20 ARI
• 2017: CAR 35 - 27 NYJ
• 2018: NYG 31 - 33 CAR

Rivera is 4-4 after the Bye week. He has never beaten a team with a winning record while coming off of the Bye week.

Combined record of the teams we have beaten coming off of the Bye: 10-15-1 (.384)
Combined record of the teams we have lost to coming off of the Bye: 12-16 (.426)

Seems odd for you to be attributing equal weight to Rivera's first four years as a new head coach vs. his last four years on the heel of a four-win streak.  Do you really consider those 4-year stretches equally relevant to present-day considerations?  Trends are significant for a reason...they indicate growth or decline.  Players and coaches alike have learning curves and can naturally build upon their deficits with experience.  

The sentiment that you're worried about the game against SF in part due to Ron Rivera being "notoriously bad" at something, and then pointing to evidence back from 2014 and earlier to substantiate that claim...seems pretty intellectually dishonest.

EVEN IF I'd throw out trends and give equal consideration to the first four years vs. the last four years....how do you then draw the conclusion that 4-4 = notoriously bad?

I don't know what you're trying to prove with those statistics...that we are slightly more likely to beat bad teams than good teams?  That's every team in the league lol.  We can only play whoever's on our schedule.