I find it interesting that so many Cam backers want him to sit against San Fran and return vs Tennessee

[uncfan888]

9 hours ago, SBiii said:

Game managers and Super Bowl winning QB's are synonymous.

You and bad takes are synonymous 

[NJPanthers12]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

So if you turn out to be dead wrong, you will rationalize it by still somehow maintaining you’re right despite reality saying otherwise. Yup, you’re definitely a member of h. sapiens on the internet.

”Mah beliefs is moar important than tha facts.”

Nope. There is no world where Kyle Allen is better quarterback or a better fit for a team than Cam Newton. These are not beliefs. These are facts. If you cannot understand this then you should find a new hobby.

[NJPanthers12]

9 hours ago, Everfrost said:

Allen 4 games 
80/122    65.6%    901 yards TD=7    INT=0 Rushing=6 yards Fum=6 Lost=4

Cam 2018 before pit 8 games
177/263 67.3% 1,893 yards TD= 15 INT= 4 Rushing=342 yards 4 TD Fum=4 Lost=0

If Cam can be Cam and Run again yes indeed he is the better of the 2 otherwise it is pretty close.

You called Allen a game manager but hell numbers are about the same. So is Cam a game manager also, and if he is why is that a bad thing?

I Hope Superman comes back I miss the smile and the dab from 2015 but you cheering for Allen to lose is just sad.

Ok, so we are taking 4 games and determining that Kyle Allen is now ready to replace the best QB in franchise history. He is ready to replace a franchise QB who is ONLY 30 and is out due to a foot injury, not a major arm injury. We are crowning a backup QB who beat 4 teams with a combined record of 10-13-1 and where any non-bias fan can admit where he didn’t play thst well in 2 of those games.

we are sitting here open to the possibility of moving on from a franchise QB who won a league MVP for a QB who fumbles every time the wind blows. The Panthers didn’t even believe in this kid since they wasted a top 100 pick on a back up QB in the draft.

i like Kyle Allen. I do not want to root against him or to lose. It is just pathetic how so many people in the media are writing Cams obituary. Also think it is a joke how many “panthers” fans are willing to move on to Cam just like that.

[NJPanthers12]

It took this franchise 17 years to find a franchise QB. Make no mistake about it, Cam Newton is a franchise QB. This is a fan base that sings the praises of mediocre players like John Kasay and Brad Hoover, but takes Cam for granted. If you think Kyle Allen is going to step in and lead this team for the next decade you’re only fooling yourself.

Kyle Allen is more Matt Moore than he is Cam Newton. I will guarantee you that if they make a permanent switch from Cam to Kyle, this team will be entering a dark period where within 2 years max they will be looking for a new GM, Coach, and QB. And who knows, it might take another 17 years to find that QB.

[twylyght]

20 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

It took this franchise 17 years to find a franchise QB. Make no mistake about it, Cam Newton is a franchise QB. This is a fan base that sings the praises of mediocre players like John Kasay and Brad Hoover, but takes Cam for granted. If you think Kyle Allen is going to step in and lead this team for the next decade you’re only fooling yourself.

Kyle Allen is more Matt Moore than he is Cam Newton. I will guarantee you that if they make a permanent switch from Cam to Kyle, this team will be entering a dark period where within 2 years max they will be looking for a new GM, Coach, and QB. And who knows, it might take another 17 years to find that QB.

What are you willing to bet that Cam is going to be more of Cam 2015 model for the next decade? 

What of the following are you willing to give up to keep Newton on the team?

James Bradberry

KK Short

DJ Moore

Chris Samuel

Shaq Thompson

Donte Jackson

Eric Reid

Mario Addison

Brian Burns

Christian McCaffrey

Luke Kuechley

I have some bad new for you if you think we keep the lion's share of these guys in addition to Cam.  What are our chances of getting the ultimate prize without these guys?  Which of these is expendable for this pursuit?  If we have 2015 Cam, then yes... we can part ways with some of these guys.  If we don't have that Cam, then you can kiss those SB aspirations goodbye along with a roster (and fan-base) that will take forever to rebuild.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Nope. There is no world where Kyle Allen is better quarterback or a better fit for a team than Cam Newton. These are not beliefs. These are facts. If you cannot understand this then you should find a new hobby.

Do you understand the difference between subjective and objective?

Which player is better than another is by definition subjective. It is an opinion. 2+2=4 is a fact and can be independently verified to be true. Your statements demonstrate either a misunderstanding of subjective vs objective or willful denial of them. If you cannot understand this, no one can help you deal with reality.

Asserting subjective things to be objective facts is a common and widespread fallacy of internet posting behavior, hence my previous post. Forgive me if I decline to take life advice from someone who seems to have trouble distinguishing such basic things, I'm fine with my hobbies as they are, thank you.

[mav1234]

47 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Kyle Allen is more Matt Moore than he is Cam Newton. I will guarantee you that if they make a permanent switch from Cam to Kyle, this team will be entering a dark period where within 2 years max they will be looking for a new GM, Coach, and QB. And who knows, it might take another 17 years to find that QB.

Cam is definitely a better option right now if healthy.  However... It is way too early to say what Kyle Allen is. His first 5 starts are difficult to compare to any other QB.  He "looks" like Matt Moore, but if you look at their first five starts, Allen is playing significantly better. 

Allen's four starts this year look an *awful lot* like Cams first four starts last year... the same year many of us thought Cam was an mvp candidate a few games after, and prior to injury.

So lets see how the rest of whatever games Allen plays go, and enjoy that the Pa thers have a competent, if not more than that, backup in addition to our former MVP.

[NJPanthers12]

13 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Do you understand the difference between subjective and objective?

Which player is better than another is by definition subjective. It is an opinion. 2+2=4 is a fact and can be independently verified to be true. Your statements demonstrate either a misunderstanding of subjective vs objective or willful denial of them. If you cannot understand this, no one can help you deal with reality.

Asserting subjective things to be objective facts is a common and widespread fallacy of internet posting behavior, hence my previous post. Forgive me if I decline to take life advice from someone who seems to have trouble distinguishing such basic things, I'm fine with my hobbies as they are, thank you.

You are correct 2+2=4 is a fact. Cam newton being significantly better than Kyle Allen is also a fact. Like I said, find a new hobby if you can’t see that. 

[NJPanthers12]

28 minutes ago, twylyght said:

What are you willing to bet that Cam is going to be more of Cam 2015 model for the next decade? 

What of the following are you willing to give up to keep Newton on the team?

James Bradberry

KK Short

DJ Moore

Chris Samuel

Shaq Thompson

Donte Jackson

Eric Reid

Mario Addison

Brian Burns

Christian McCaffrey

Luke Kuechley

I have some bad new for you if you think we keep the lion's share of these guys in addition to Cam.  What are our chances of getting the ultimate prize without these guys?  Which of these is expendable for this pursuit?  If we have 2015 Cam, then yes... we can part ways with some of these guys.  If we don't have that Cam, then you can kiss those SB aspirations goodbye along with a roster (and fan-base) that will take forever to rebuild.

Forgive me for not worrying about losing DJ Moore and Brian Burns in free agency 4 to 5 years from now. Cam newton is more important than every player you listed, just as a franchise QB is the most important player on the roster of every team. It is possible to pay a QB and still build a good team around him just so you know.

[twylyght]

2 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Forgive me for not worrying about losing DJ Moore and Brian Burns in free agency 4 to 5 years from now. Cam newton is more important than every player you listed, just as a franchise QB is the most important player on the roster of every team. It is possible to pay a QB and still build a good team around him just so you know.

Yet.... here we are in Cam's 9th season and no SB ring.... how do you explain that?

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

You are correct 2+2=4 is a fact. Cam newton being significantly better than Kyle Allen is also a fact. Like I said, find a new hobby if you can’t see that. 

Nope. You cannot prove Cam Newton being better than Kyle Allen as a fact because it is based upon subjective factors, not things like mathematically verifiable facts. Is passing more important than running? Are fumbles worse than interceptions? These are things that in evaluating any player in any sport become subject to opinions on any number of variables. I happen to agree that a healthy Cam Newton based upon track record is likely to be a better option than Kyle Allen, but neither you nor I can prove the thing as a factual matter. 

Like I said, if you cannot distinguish subjective from objective, no one can help you, and I'm still fine with my hobbies as they are, thanks.

[NJPanthers12]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Nope. You cannot prove Cam Newton being better than Kyle Allen as a fact because it is based upon subjective factors, not things like mathematically verifiable facts. Is passing more important than running? Are fumbles worse than interceptions? These are things that in evaluating any player in any sport become subject to opinions on any number of variables. I happen to agree that a healthy Cam Newton based upon track record is likely to be a better option than Kyle Allen, but neither you nor I can prove the thing as a factual matter. 

Like I said, if you cannot distinguish subjective from objective, no one can help you, and I'm still fine with my hobbies as they are, thanks.

Poor guy can’t tell the difference between a football and hockey puck. 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, NJPanthers12 said:

Poor guy can’t tell the difference between a football and hockey puck. 

This is your response when confronted with reason and logic. No wonder I'm not taking advice from you. You can't or won't make basic distinctions between opinions and facts taught in grade school and resort to ad hominem attacks when confronted with it.

[NJPanthers12]

3 minutes ago, twylyght said:

Yet.... here we are in Cam's 9th season and no SB ring.... how do you explain that?

HA yeah because that’s all on Cam. Almost didn’t answer this post because of the stupidity of it, but just wanted to let you know both Peyton Manning and Drew Brees didn’t win a Super Bowl until their 9th seasons. Elway didn’t win one until his 15th season. I guess those 3 franchises made huge mistakes not moving on earlier.